"Detuned" Windsor 165kW

XHII V8S · 03-11-2005, 06:17 PM

In a recent post about the new VE SS making 300kW, I read someone mention that the 5.0L Windsor was detuned....I have the 165kW engine in my ute so if anyone knows how to match the performance of the XH XR8 185kW engine using factory parts it would be much appreciated. So far I know that the intake manifolds were bigger on the XR8

Chris

EFFalcon · 03-11-2005, 06:24 PM

the 185's got better exhaust manifolds too.
the maf and t/b may have been bigger, not sure.

FordFan86 · 03-11-2005, 06:26 PM

That extra 20kw comes from a completely different inlet manifold. Explorer as opposed to HO. These are found on ELII - AUIII
Im not sure but was there also a Throttle Body change?

sfr rob · 03-11-2005, 06:53 PM

hey this might fit into this thread...
what is the difference between the fairmont V8 ( AU's ) and XR8's?

is it possible to get the fairmont up to the same standard as the XR?

cheers
rob

LUXO_8 · 03-11-2005, 06:58 PM

read this thread

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthread.php?t=25689

everything you need to know about what came with what

obviously the most acurate info will be at end of the thread as it gets corrected......

trikee · 03-11-2005, 10:27 PM

get hold of 347stroker. he knows a fair bit

04-11-2005, 11:26 PM

Windsor - order the "GT40" intake kit from the USA along with a bigger MAF and TB. Put an E303 cam in it, a set of 1.7:1 roller rockers (these are awesome when combined with the "E" cam), a good set of headers and a nice flowing exhaust and get it tuned. Parts from the US should come in at about A$1,000. Add the cost of the pipes and the labour (depending on who you know) and you could be boogying for A$3-$4K.

Bossxr8 · 05-11-2005, 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Oz Dude

Windsor - order the "GT40" intake kit from the USA along with a bigger MAF and TB. Put an E303 cam in it, a set of 1.7:1 roller rockers (these are awesome when combined with the "E" cam), a good set of headers and a nice flowing exhaust and get it tuned. Parts from the US should come in at about A$1,000. Add the cost of the pipes and the labour (depending on who you know) and you could be boogying for A$3-$4K.

$1000 for those parts, you have to be joking. If you bought those parts here in Oz you wouldn't have change from $2000, those parts are expensive here.

05-11-2005, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

$1000 for those parts, you have to be joking. If you bought those parts here in Oz you wouldn't have change from $2000, those parts are expensive here.

Why on earth would you buy parts for an American V8 motor off a distributor in Oz. By all means, if you like paying the profit margin of 3 additional sets of hands that the parts have gone through, then be my guest.

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I know how much the parts cost because I have gone through the exercise for myself and several others.

Do yourself a favour - download the Ford Motorsport catalog and then pick the dealer you want to buy the stuff from. I can even give you the details of my contact - he will do you anything at cost plus 10% from the Ford parts bin.

Oz

Bossxr8 · 06-11-2005, 08:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Oz Dude

Why on earth would you buy parts for an American V8 motor off a distributor in Oz. By all means, if you like paying the profit margin of 3 additional sets of hands that the parts have gone through, then be my guest.

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I know how much the parts cost because I have gone through the exercise for myself and several others.

Do yourself a favour - download the Ford Motorsport catalog and then pick the dealer you want to buy the stuff from. I can even give you the details of my contact - he will do you anything at cost plus 10% from the Ford parts bin.

Oz

Once you factor in exchange rates, freight, import duties and all that other crap you have to pay for to get stuff shipped over here you aren't really any better off. I haven't bought any parts from Oz or the US so don't assume I would pay big prices for parts.

09-11-2005, 11:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Once you factor in exchange rates, freight, import duties and all that other crap you have to pay for to get stuff shipped over here you aren't really any better off. I haven't bought any parts from Oz or the US so don't assume I would pay big prices for parts.

Exchange rates at current buy you US$3 for A$4 and shipping will be about A$100 via airfreight to your door, $200 if you throw in the heads. Import duties on spare parts for that small volume will proly be waived (I've bought over A$800 in parts during the last few weeks and no duty when shipped).

All the other crap you have to pay for is the markup that Oz distributors put on this stuff because they have to inventory it, stock it, warranty it, and make a profit. In short, if you can be bothered doing the research and buying yourself from the original supplier, yes you are better off. Just remember though, if it breaks the warranty stops at the USA border.

Anyone who wants to buy parts for a late model Windsor is crazy if they don't just crack open the catalog (thanks for the link xr8ute), pick off what they want, and make their credit card go a little light headed.

I also reiterate my previous point. I have a guy that can do me Ford parts at cost plus 10%. Some of the Motorsport stuff is excluded but by all means, give me a list of part numbers (as stated in the catalog and I will forward to him for a price and availablility quote...

XHII V8S - yes, same motor. Minor variations here and there and other than the throttle linkage requiring relocation on the TB, it all works exactly the same. Must do, that's where Ford Oz got their parts from...

My $0.02
Oz

XHII V8S · 05-11-2005, 11:16 AM

GT40 Kit? Where can you get that? I heard with the GT40 heads and valvetrain and cam you can make about 250kw? My engine does the job for me at the moment, but like most people I am bored with the power and want more, but rather than buying aftermarket stuff I want to try and keep the engine bay looking stock. Is the GT40 kit a Ford item? Would a good start be to get the XR8 MAF and TB as these are ford items?

347Stroker · 05-11-2005, 12:04 PM

My little windsor in the ute (XHXR8) is fantastic, and it is nothing special.
All I have done is

1.73 Y/T rollers
T3 TE50 Cam
Under Drive pulleys
24lb injectors
Pro M Maf suit 24's
Stock GT40P heads
GT40 Lower
Cobra upper
65mm T/B
ELGT extractors
255lph Walbro in tank pump
Kirban Adj Reg
3.45
T5

I have real trouble on a wet road, when it hit 3700 rpm, in 2 or 3rd gear, it just buzzes to 6000 and blazes the tyres, will smack a Gen III VYSS manual, and the other night, one of the members from here, in his Fairmont Ghia I6 came up next to me at a set of lights.
I tow a big trailer, very un aerodynamic and across the scales, GCM of ute, trailer and me is 2684kg, with half a tank.
By 3rd gear @5500rpm, I was about 15 metres in front.....

The cost to get these things going hard is stuff all.

All up I have probably spent $2500 on it.

**Falcon Coupe** · 06-11-2005, 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by 347stroker

My little windsor in the ute (XHXR8) is fantastic, and it is nothing special.

I have real trouble on a wet road, when it hit 3700 rpm, in 2 or 3rd gear, it just buzzes to 6000 and blazes the tyres, will smack a Gen III VYSS manual, and the other night, one of the members from here, in his Fairmont Ghia I6 came up next to me at a set of lights.
I tow a big trailer, very un aerodynamic and across the scales, GCM of ute, trailer and me is 2684kg, with half a tank.
By 3rd gear @5500rpm, I was about 15 metres in front.....

The cost to get these things going hard is stuff all.

All up I have probably spent $2500 on it.

That's dam impressive bang for buck, have you had it on a dyno ?

XHII V8S · 06-11-2005, 10:10 AM

347 Stroker,

Say I used the following,

-ELGT Extractors
-T3 TE50 Cam (5.6L ?)
-Stock GT40P heads (Ill assume these are the ones on the windsor already)
-GT40 Lower (Intake manifold?)
-Cobra Upper (Intake manifold?)
-65mm T/B

With the exception of the cam, are these parts bolt on (no tuning rewiring etc) and would I need to upgrade the fuel pump, how much it would cost to buy, how much power I could make and where I can get these parts? My last question, is it possible to make 250fwkW using the parts you have?

Thanks

347Stroker · 06-11-2005, 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon Coupe

That's dam impressive bang for buck, have you had it on a dyno ?

It made 179rwkw before I did the last weekend in the shed....and now it feels stronger, but I have a hankering for some more......Theres some alloys sitting on the floor here, and another ported inlet....

ef5l · 06-11-2005, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by 347stroker

It made 179rwkw before I did the last weekend in the shed....and now it feels stronger, but I have a hankering for some more......Theres some alloys sitting on the floor here, and another ported inlet....

so are you looking at selling your inlet and heads?

**Falcon Coupe** · 06-11-2005, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by 347stroker

It made 179rwkw before I did the last weekend in the shed....and now it feels stronger, but I have a hankering for some more......Theres some alloys sitting on the floor here, and another ported inlet....

Is this the 347 or a 5.0 litre ?

LUXO_8 · 05-11-2005, 06:13 PM

have to agree with bossxr8.
you wouldnt have very much change from a grand for just the GT40 upper and lower and a TB. then the cam, rockers and maf etc would easily bring that up to 2k, thats without changing heads....

then there's the labour if you arent mechanically minded enough to install it all

XHII V8S · 06-11-2005, 09:43 AM

Oz Dude,

Where can I get a hold of the ford motorsport catalogue? Cheers

xr8ute · 06-11-2005, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by XHII V8S

Where can I get a hold of the ford motorsport catalogue? Cheers

http://www.fordracingparts.com/download/catalogs.asp

8pAc · 06-11-2005, 11:39 AM

So did you figure out what the deal with the thermactor tubes are? do the just need to be blocked off? I was looking at some crate motors in a mag and some make specific mention of the thermactor tubes while others dont.

XHII V8S · 06-11-2005, 12:49 PM

Does anyone have part numbers for the items I listed above?

347Stroker · 06-11-2005, 02:53 PM

I have figured out the block off plugs, and now have them, so hopefully I can get them on next week, seeing that its my work ute, I cant have it off the road too long, but can get a tow bar fitted to the EF, and use it....hmmmm

I dont want to sell anything either mate, all good stock for the EF when it eventually gets a Windsor conversion....

Gammaboy · 06-11-2005, 10:04 PM

I can guarrantee its a 5.0!

Gammaboy · 06-11-2005, 10:08 PM

"We are not afraid of the Clevelands. Windsors have condemned them. They are stupid. They are stupid" (dramatic pause) "and they are condemned."

XHII V8S · 07-11-2005, 01:39 PM

How can I tell which parts in the catalogue are suitable for my EEC-V 5.0L? Most are for the 83-95 mustang 5.0 Cobra....

Gambit · 07-11-2005, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XHII V8S

How can I tell which parts in the catalogue are suitable for my EEC-V 5.0L? Most are for the 83-95 mustang 5.0 Cobra....

I think its the same motor.

XHII V8S · 09-11-2005, 08:47 AM

anyone else know?

4.9 EF Futura · 09-11-2005, 09:26 AM

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Originally Posted by XHII V8S

anyone else know?

The man speaks the truth. Fox body mustangs (years noted above). Be careful with water pumps/timing covers etc etc as IIRC ours is runs the 94/95 mustang timing cover but the water pump is a law unto itself. Shouldnt be an issue though if you're only ordering manifolds, heads, cams etc.

Some pls clarify - but you'll probably need to do some mods to the throttle body if you buy one from US as the linkages are on the other side (look at the fitment of a US manifold compared to ours and you'll see what i mean).