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I'm new here, So bare with me. has anyone installed a Hiclone fuel saver in their EFI intake? At $160.00 a pop why bother when you can make you own for $30.00 for 500mmX300mm sheet of alumium & aviation tin snips. Heard of electric supercharger? check out my setup Last edited by mont106; 30-03-2005 at 12:16 AM. |
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Basically those small electric fans cant push enough air to run a lawnmower so what you have just done is create an intake blockage. The intake of air required is far more than that fan can handle. Sorry to be the bearer of bad news.
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Its a 24800rpm cobolt motor with model jet plane 3" ducted fan unit which together it actully push air at rate of 987cfm more then what the ford 6s can suck in 5000rpm. the vortex generator spins the air even more.
Trust me, its been running for a week and I've notice a "LLLLLOT" of differance. the constapation is completely gone when taking of from the lights, 50 meter down check the speedo & it reads 87kmh at 3500rpm oops just gone pass the speed limit, going up hill is like going down it. it now cruise 60kmh at 1050rpm compare to 1200rpm. It now feels like I'm getting rear ended when the auto changes gears, and thats without planting the floor or over revving it We all know what the AUll XLS ute is like at the lights next to a VS or VK, I know its shit, now they can kiss my *** 20 or 40 meters down the road. I don't need KW's I want TORQUE. I wonder what happen if I get it dyno or put in wildcat headers & 2.25" exhuast, port the head a little pit without effect ECM, with out wasting $$$$ on chips that can only produce 10 to 15kw according to the dyno but can't notice much differance on the road. ![]() |
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I believe you mate.!!! I have been reading up on ram inductions and the dyno results are very impressive. I can only assume that the 984 cfm fan is making the same effect and creating a ram effect.Top idea ..but dam I didnt know there was a fan with that type of cfm.!!Where do we get 1??
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check you model plan shop, ask for 3" WATT-AGE powerfan 400/6 unit without motor and WATT-AGE super 400 Cobolt motor 27T that motor is a 19000rpm 7volt but over 24000rpm under a 12v load. don't worry it can handle it.
I'm planning on having 2 of them in line to produce more air trust= "ECM thinks more air coming in I must inject more fuel, I must inject more fuel, afirmative MORE air IS coming throu !. I compute. hehehe. you can get pcv drain pipes, "Y, U, T, L" connectors soft pipe and clamps from bunnings. get 12gage wires from JAYCAR. Heres a sample below to give you an idea. |
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thanks mate.Just did a google search...very impressive!!! I have 90mm drain pipe in there already.Maybe ill have to convert back?
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Dyno numbers dont tell much of a story about real world drivability, at best its an indication. Give the ute a run down the 1/4, let me know the time it runs. Then we'll see whos saying byebye ![]()
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I too am sceptical Casper.And as a sceptic I am going to try it.Heck if someone told me chewing gum in my intake gave me more ,I would try it.
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This is intriging to say the least. Th fan shown in the photos wouldn't draw 11A withouth the insulation dripping from the wires.
As stated previously a supercharger is effectively a compressor not a fan. An axial fan will not work effectively into a high static head, they are typically utilised to discharge into open ducts or into free air. A competitor E-RAM discounts axial fans as fraud, junk and conravention of their patents. A bit more research an my personal opinion is that these are also junk & fraud, just much higher priced junk. They run a much better designed fan but even at its 57Amp draw it is unlikely to be able to produce much comression in the intake. Thes guys propose axial-flow fans I guess thats there marketing hype for a fan blade with a better design and fan curve. But its still a fan. So a modern Alternator at around 110/120A, minus about 45A for ECU AUTO BEM etc, not going to be practical. But wait we can plonk 2 more batteries in the boot, OK how do we charge these? not whilst in motion obviously, And we have just added at least $400 to the price for wiring relays, battery mounts batteries etc. These next ones Thomas Knight lokk like the may have a motor impeller combination capable of actually achieving some boost. A compressor at last. But all the problems of how to drive them just compound, more Amps etc. So without getting the sliderule out its not looking good, an average road going supercharger is going to sap about 10Kw of energy to do its job allowing the engine to produce even more Kw. so 10Kw/12V = about 834 Amps. Axial fans I dont think so, and a boot full of traction batteries from a nearby forklift isn't going to do wonders for your quarter times either. I'm not going to suggest bunkum, but frankly until I can see some real life independant testing and proving of results then I cant see any reason for anyone to be parting with the folding stuff. (filed with energy polarisors, magnetic fuel ionisors, etc in the awaiting proof cabinet.) |
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if I floored it and do 178kmh in 400metre on a isolated country road, I don't know what that is in 1/4 mile or mph. I'll take some slicks with me next time while the puter is still learning me driving habits.
I notice now after 9 days its cruising 60kmh at 900-950rpm, shit thats idle speed. notice a different tone to the exhurst note. its beutiful!!! it revs less at the same speed. I'll fill up next time with premium and see how much Distance To Empty figure I'll make. Use your head and money wisely gents. study, study, research, research, plan, plan, then dive in. |
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If it worked so well, I'm sure there would be someone on the forums prior to this with results. There isnt. They dont work. "study, study, research, research".. wise words indeed.
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Yes, yes, but it pings, not sure if its 400metre. what I did was mark the spot then drive until I reach 400m well maybe 415-420m
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I'm not trying to be smart but your numbers are way off. My XR6 has anywhere from 135 - 150rwkw (181 - 201rwhp) depending on the dyno at the time and runs a 15.02 1/4 mile at 93.5mph (150kph). To get it into the 12's and at a speed of 110mph I'd need to effectivly double the output.
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you could be right the new clocks don't include decimal then metre counter like the old ones. then again, its how you press the accelarator, use up all the torque and KWs at the bottom without revving the shit out of the motor. find the spot where your power comes in then use it. you'll feel and know when.
I'll test it out one day on the tracks. that was a one off test I did on that road until it pings. No more until headers/exhurst/cam/mild porting/ or a unichip upgrade. I just stick to eccelarate up to road speed limit. check this site out http://www.electricsupercharger.com/ |
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Think out side the square... I could do alot with $1150- $1350 dollars which I would of spend on a unichip on other things to inprove my engine performance. maybe spend it on Jim Mock DEV kit 1
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First, a fan with an 80mm diameter, running at 19,500rpm wont push past about 300cfm maximum flow(287.7cfm to be exact). 900cfm is a fantasy.
Second, once it reaches maximum static head pressure, the air will simply flow back past the fan, its not a compressor, back preassure will bleed backwards past it. Once the head and manifold reach peak vacuum, which will draw more then 300cfm, your fan will over rev and eventually stuff up, worse still, it will be pulled along by vacuum, rather then push, and works as a restriction and will bleed energy from the engine.
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OK, as most people on the forums and they will tell you I am tolerant of people who don’t know but I can’t let this slide so lets go through it 1 by 1.
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ignoring all this BS.
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I think hes talking about this. http://www.esuperchargers.com/
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I have been the one that has been the harshest critic and I dont think I have gone off at all. I simply took each of his points and commented on them. I will stand by the comments too. These things dont work. I simply stated this and stated why.
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Go for it Stav but think about what happens to a plastic bladed fan when it explodes on the intake side of the filter. Where do all the bits go?
They dont work, they cannot possibly push enough air, they are a restriction and when they do go bang all the bits end up in your manifold and engine. No thanks.
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I agree!!! Also how many amps this thing draws would not be good news. If screw or component came loose it will end up in my inlet valve and back to Mr Ford at GReenacre for a new engine.If this guy is doing the quarter mile in the time he said I would have to say he is driving a ufo. Monty ...you are welcome here mate but unless we are running a 6 litre engine mate I doubt your time.
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I know that my XR6 would take quite a bit more than 500m to get to 180kph, closer to 700 or 800 at a guess.
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I guess around 500 or more cause the maker did'nt look that far. distance can be decieving at times. Tell you one thing, once going over a 1km hill at 100kmh at2300-2500rpm in the speed limit, speedo and rpm just jumps while still holding the same gear{3rd} the blooding thing pulls to the left like it wants to go offroading, foot of the pedal to slow it down from 125kmh to 100ks & thats was more like a second or two. |
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