FPV Announces Pricing For 2010 Range

[russellw]

Ford Performance Vehicles (FPV) today confirmed pricing for its just-released new supercharged Boss V8 engined GS and GT range models.

Manufacturer’s list price* for the FPV GS sedan with its all-new Boss 315kW V8 is priced at $56,990 and the GS Ute at $51,990. Automatic transmission is a no-cost option on both vehicles.

And for the Boss 335kW V8 engined FPV GT range, the Manufacturer’s List Price* for the FPV GT is $71,290, for the FPV GT-P is $81,540 and for the FPV GT E is $82,540. Automatic transmission is standard on the GT E, and a no-cost option on the GT and GT-P.


* Manufacturer's List Price (MLP) is the recommended price for the vehicle only. A number of other components, including dealer delivery fees, stamp duty, registration, compulsory third party insurance and other statutory charges may be payable by a customer in relation to the purchase of a vehicle and are not included in the MLP.

[galaxy xr8]

With the base model sedan (GS) starting at $56,990 rrp, this makes me think that Ford will offer an XR8 in the near future ?.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

With the base model sedan (GS) starting at $56,990 rrp, this makes me think that Ford will offer an XR8 in the near future ?.

A GS basically is an XR8 with stripes and a starter button.

I suspect thet Ford would need more than the lackluster sales of the FG BOSS XR8 in order to develop a V8 engine permutation below the GS.
It would probably have to be N/A which means it would be engineered almosy from scratch which is an expensive thing to do.

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by flappist

A GS basically is an XR8 with stripes and a starter button.

I suspect thet Ford would need more than the lackluster sales of the FG BOSS XR8 in order to develop a V8 engine permutation below the GS.
It would probably have to be N/A which means it would be engineered almosy from scratch which is an expensive thing to do.

Maybe , maybe not, I was more looking into the price side of thing's, an XR8 was never $56,990 rrp, so with the base model (sedan) FPV being that price, I would asume that leaves room for Ford to place an XR8 in their line up, see what I mean ?.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

Maybe , maybe not, I was more looking into the price side of thing's, an XR8 was never $56,990 rrp, so with the base model (sedan) FPV being that price, I would asume that leaves room for Ford to place an XR8 in their line up, see what I mean ?.

Yes but can they afford to make a $50k V8?
It is not just a case of taking a XR6 and plonking a new engine in it, there is a huge amount of development and engineering required and there has to be a return on investment.

The FG XR8 did not sell all that well and a N/A coyote is not going to be a high performance vehicle compared to XR6T or GS so who is going to buy this car?

[Dr Smith]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes but can they afford to make a $50k V8?
It is not just a case of taking a XR6 and plonking a new engine in it, there is a huge amount of development and engineering required and there has to be a return on investment.

The FG XR8 did not sell all that well and a N/A coyote is not going to be a high performance vehicle compared to XR6T or GS so who is going to buy this car?

Actually considering FPV did all the work on the SC V8, wouldn't using the same engine, less blower for arguement sake, be actually less workload then if Ford were doing all the work from scratch. In effect it's a lower powered version of the same base. Imagine if Ford released the I6T first as a new model/upgrade and then decided later to release the n/a version. I don't think compliance would be as big a drama as it's a lower powered version of the same base. If much of the mechanicals are identical between GS and the next XR8 then costs in development would be lessened I would think. I think the bigger issue is Ford didn't plan on an XR8 after euroIV and now have to find the time and money. Mabe a G8E could help volume.

[Mondie]

Now that pricing has been formally released l hope the FPV website gets updated with full specifications and that the EBrochure download goes live.

[kennyboy]

given that coyote is an evoultion of the 5.4, woulda thought very little if any change required to fit fg - though na engine might require some air intake work

[flappist]

Originally Posted by kennyboy

given that coyote is an evoultion of the 5.4, woulda thought very little if any change required to fit fg - though na engine might require some air intake work

No it is not the plonking of it in the engine bay it is the compliance requirements.

[Gobes32]

Marin Burela confirmed there would be an XR8 in 2011 at his last appearance in Geelong.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Gobes32

Marin Burela confirmed there would be an XR8 in 2011 at his last appearance in Geelong.

Well if there is I hope it actually sells otherwise the XR8 will join the Fairlane, LTD, Wagon, Turbo Territory, Panelvan et al.

But as with all things, time will tell......

[vanman_75]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well if there is I hope it actually sells otherwise the XR8 will join the Fairlane, LTD, Wagon, Turbo Territory, Panelvan et al.

But as with all things, time will tell......

THEY STOPPED MAKING THE PANELVAN ????

[kennyboy]

would assume that the coyote already meets euro iv in na form, what other compliance would it have to meet?

[flappist]

Originally Posted by kennyboy

would assume that the coyote already meets euro iv in na form, what other compliance would it have to meet?

http://www.infrastructure.gov.au/roads/motor/design/index.aspx

[flappist]

Three observations:

1) There seems to be a fixation on Commodore vs Falcon as though these were the only two vehicles available. Holden have a V8 whatever, Ford must copy.....

2) In the last 8 years Ford V8s have sold mostly to the "nouveau muscle car" market with the GT gradually eroding XR8 sales and outselling F6 2 to 1 despite being significantly slower both on a circuit and straight line.

3) None of the strongly pro XR8 members appear to have bought a new FG XR8 or even a BF XR8. If you, the true believers, wouldn't buy one why do you think others would?

[FPV8U]

Originally Posted by flappist

3) None of the strongly pro XR8 members appear to have bought a new FG XR8 or even a BF XR8. If you, the true believers, wouldn't buy one why do you think others would?

Some of the most pro FPV/GT "belivers" on here havn't owned one either..

Doesn't make an opinion invalid if anything it proves the product they have provided hasn't been seen as "Worthy" of the upgrade.

In my case my XR8 was 3 Years old when i got it.. about a day or two our from my 18th B'day from memory, a brand new BF XR8 was a little out of my league at that stage, the FG shape is still yet to really win me over and still has almost the same drivetrain (Although the 290 is a better unit than the 260..)

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by flappist

Three observations:

1) There seems to be a fixation on Commodore vs Falcon as though these were the only two vehicles available. Holden have a V8 whatever, Ford must copy.....

2) In the last 8 years Ford V8s have sold mostly to the "nouveau muscle car" market with the GT gradually eroding XR8 sales and outselling F6 2 to 1 despite being significantly slower both on a circuit and straight line.

3) None of the strongly pro XR8 members appear to have bought a new FG XR8 or even a BF XR8. If you, the true believers, wouldn't buy one why do you think others would?

1), It has been drummed into the public for yr's that Ford is public enemy to Holden, ie XR8 V's SS GT V's GTS, it has been this way since day dot, Aussies love the rivalry just as much as the manufacturer's like to promote it to gain perception.

2)GT sale's I believe are in a different segment to XR8 sale's, for starter's they are aimed at a differen't price compitition, and as for the rest (F6 etc) and the sale stat's, read my previous post above to get my thought's on this....

3) I am strongly pro XR8 mainly because I believe the XR8 has been left to fight for itself in Ford's line up with lack lustre effort on Ford's behalf to promote it, Why did Ford focus so much on developing the "Turbo" when they allready had a performance arm in the XR8, Tickford, etc...
Like I have said before, and like you have said, why would the consumer buy a product that is not only dearer but is outclassed by it's sibling's,

who is really to blame here.... the consumer for not buying or the manufacturer for not supplying a product worthy of buying.....

Here lies the question.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

3) I am strongly pro XR8 mainly because I believe the XR8 has been left to fight for itself in Ford's line up with lack lustre effort on Ford's behalf to promote it, Why did Ford focus so much on developing the "Turbo" when they allready had a performance arm in the XR8, Tickford, etc...
Like I have said before, and like you have said, why would the consumer buy a product that is not only dearer but is outclassed by it's sibling's,

who is really to blame here.... the consumer for not buying or the manufacturer for not supplying a product worthy of buying.....

Here lies the question.

Which goes back to my original point.

If the XR8 is a NA 5.0l and $45-50K then it will not be able to compete with the XR6T or SSV so how does that make it better than the old one?

If the XR8 is S/C and $45-50k then FPV will have shot themselves in the foot.

If the XR8 is SC and the same price as GS (which is really what it is anyway) then what is the point of it? A badge?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by flappist

3) None of the strongly pro XR8 members appear to have bought a new FG XR8 or even a BF XR8. If you, the true believers, wouldn't buy one why do you think others would?

Sadly, XR8 buyers have voted with their feet and bought something else
and worse yet, there hasn't been any increase in XR6T or G6ET sales.

From that observation, I'd say they all went elsewhere, wouldn't you?

I wonder why those sales evaporated, maybe Ford gave those buyers no reason to stay...

[flappist]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Sadly, XR8 buyers have voted with their feet and bought something else
and worse yet, there hasn't been any increase in XR6T or G6ET sales.

From that observation, I'd say they all went elsewhere, wouldn't you?

I wonder why those sales evaporated, maybe Ford gave those buyers no reason to stay...

You think?

You are saying that the combined XR6T & G6ET sales are not greater than the XR6T, XR8 & V8 Ghia sales in BF? Seriously?

From local experience here the majority of potential XR8 sales were converted to GT/GS if they were V8 diehards and XR6T if they were just performance enthusiasts.

As far as the 5l NA not being competitive.....

It is 5l so there is a limit to how much torque it can make. The only way it can make high power is through high revs which will make it hopeless in the traffic light grand prix.

I drive a car that makes 230kw, 358Nm, revs to 7500rpm, weighs 1400kg and will demolish anything with a FPV or XR badge on the windy stuff.
It is flat out getting a low to mid 14 over the 400m and would have difficulty against a XR6 N/A ZF at a traffic light grand prix. The VQ35HR engine has won many awards as one of the best engines ever made.

Increase it to 5l (10:7) and you have about 330kw and 500Nm which is only slightly more than a FG BOSS XR8 so how, if the BOSS was not competitive, can this new engined car all of a sudden lead the field.

The turbo 6 will still be quicker. The SSV will still be quicker. Nothing will change regardless of all the hopes and faith of the true believers.

Why is the 4l F6 so much quicker that the 6.3l GTS?
Why is the 4l XR6T/G6ET so much quicker than the 6l SSV?
Why is the 5l GS/GT showing such incredible performance?

Pitting a NA engine against a FI engine is taking a knife to a gun fight.......

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by flappist

You think?

You are saying that the combined XR6T & G6ET sales are not greater than the XR6T, XR8 & V8 Ghia sales in BF? Seriously?

From local experience here the majority of potential XR8 sales were converted to GT/GS if they were V8 diehards and XR6T if they were just performance enthusiasts.

As far as the 5l NA not being competitive.....

It is 5l so there is a limit to how much torque it can make. The only way it can make high power is through high revs which will make it hopeless in the traffic light grand prix.

I drive a car that makes 230kw, 358Nm, revs to 7500rpm, weighs 1400kg and will demolish anything with a FPV or XR badge on the windy stuff.
It is flat out getting a low to mid 14 over the 400m and would have difficulty against a XR6 N/A ZF at a traffic light grand prix. The VQ35HR engine has won many awards as one of the best engines ever made.

Increase it to 5l (10:7) and you have about 330kw and 500Nm which is only slightly more than a FG BOSS XR8 so how, if the BOSS was not competitive, can this new engined car all of a sudden lead the field.

The turbo 6 will still be quicker. The SSV will still be quicker. Nothing will change regardless of all the hopes and faith of the true believers.

Why is the 4l F6 so much quicker that the 6.3l GTS?
Why is the 4l XR6T/G6ET so much quicker than the 6l SSV?
Why is the 5l GS/GT showing such incredible performance?

Pitting a NA engine against a FI engine is taking a knife to a gun fight.......

Imagine two cars that weighed the same. Both have the same torque, but car A makes it's peak torque earlier than car B. And car A also has an additional 30kW.

Which do you think would be quicker? (Not a trick question)

[flappist]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

Imagine two cars that weighed the same. Both have the same torque, but car A makes it's peak torque earlier than car B. And car A also has an additional 30kW.

Which do you think would be quicker? (Not a trick question)

How long and flat are the torque curves?

It is not the peak it is the area under the curve......

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by flappist

You think?

You are saying that the combined XR6T & G6ET sales are not greater than the XR6T, XR8 & V8 Ghia sales in BF? Seriously?

That's right and checking Russell's Tech Resources confirms it, I'll admit that the rest
of the world fell off a financial cliff then too but Holden's V8 sales seems to have
recovered much better in the first half or 2010

From local experience here the majority of potential XR8 sales were converted to GT/GS if they were V8 diehards and XR6T if they were just performance enthusiasts.

Up round Central Queensland, a lot of XR8s and GTs were traded in for SS and HSVs,
Mackay has the largest HSV dealer in the country..

As far as the 5l NA not being competitive.....

It is 5l so there is a limit to how much torque it can make. The only way it can make high power is through high revs which will make it hopeless in the traffic light grand prix.

It's hard to watch the Ford V8 market slip away while Holden keeps pumping out
so many V8s Commodores.... Holden's V8s are due to get VCT courtesy of the
Vortec Trucks shortly to see them out until 2012 and new V8. It's hard to know
what the future holds now that Gillard is proposing a CO2 tax on vehicles, maybe
it's just political sabre rattling but maybe big cube V8s are looking down the barrels...

Perhaps buyers or lack of them have already sealed the fate of certain cars...
mind you, a cheap and dirty 430 hp from a 6.2 V8 Boss is hard to walk past.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by jpd80

That's right and checking Russell's Tech Resources confirms it, I'll admit that the rest
of the world fell off a financial cliff then too but Holden's V8 sales seems to have
recovered much better in the first half or 2010


Up round Central Queensland, a lot of XR8s and GTs were traded in for SS and HSVs,
Mackay has the largest HSV dealer in the country..


It's hard to watch the Ford V8 market slip away while Holden keeps pumping out
so many V8s Commodores.... Holden's V8s are due to get VCT courtesy of the
Vortec Trucks shortly to see them out until 2012 and new V8. It's hard to know
what the future holds now that Gillard is proposing a CO2 tax on vehicles, maybe
it's just political sabre rattling but maybe big cube V8s are looking down the barrels...

Perhaps buyers or lack of them have already sealed the fate of certain cars...
mind you, a cheap and dirty 430 hp from a 6.2 V8 Boss is hard to walk past.

Yes Mackay is the gateway to CQ coal, lots of very cashed up young bogans.

But how would having a cheap XR8 drag customers away who are already buying high end vehicles such as HSV. Surly FPV is the preferred marque to stand against HSV.

I have yet to hear any argument other than price for any potential XR8 sales and you use an example of a customer base where entry level for P platers is low 6 digit income per year?

Did it ever occur to you that holden sells more V8s than ford because that is all they have?

You are obviously a V8 true believer, if Holden/HSV is so much better why are you driving a Ford?

The F6 is much quicker than all HSVs and significantly cheaper so why don't all of the HSV buyer get F6s instead?

But no one has answered the original question.

If a XR6T can dance with HSV let alone thrash SSV and of course BOSS XR8 and the BOSS XR8 market was dying anyway how will a new N/A smaller capacity XR8 recover this market?

Do you really think that a N/A 5l XR8 will outperform the T6 or a 6l SSV? Really?

And if this XR8 is S/C how would it be different from GS? What is its reason to exist?

[BHDOGS]

Its george bush's fault or the banks!

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by BHDOGS

Its george bush's fault or the banks!

How do you fiqure that ?.

[Polyal]

There is a whole XR8 thread with many things discussed, I dont agree that the NA 5.0L wont be competitive..how did you come to that?

[jpd80]

The ECU is not designed to run four cam phasers at the moment....

[galaxy xr8]

Originally Posted by Polyal

There is a whole XR8 thread with many things discussed, I dont agree that the NA 5.0L wont be competitive..how did you come to that?

Yes true, there is an XR8 thread, sorry for missleading the topic at hand, let's get back to the pricing of the 2010 FPV's.

[Auslandau]

My vote is we go back and read what the topic was about? The rest can be discussed else where ..... and which I am sure already is.