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30-11-2019, 05:43 PM | #1 | |||
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Just a heads up they they will be starting their 3 month grace period from tomorrow:
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One issue with this. I'm of the understanding that you CAN use your phone while driving as long as it's in a fixed holder and that it is being used for navigation (and music selection??) in NSW. Are they playing on words here and trying to spook the public? If you look at all the supplied images - none are mounted? They are all hand held. However, there is no clarification of 'using a mobile phone' and 'on a mobile phone'. Because, you are certainly 'using a mobile phone' if it's navigating and you are selecting destinations / route options while it's in a cradle. So, reading between the lines it seems that as long as the phone is being held in a cradle you can't get a fine because there is no way to prove what you are actually doing on the phone. The camera's seem pretty decent in size and they will soon enough be listed on WAZE (Something police are trying to stop) - especially when people start getting their warnings. I was under the impression there was one at the intersection of Hume hwy and Stacey st Bankstown up where the concrete water tank is but from the size of the hardware used it seems to be not the case?
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30-11-2019, 05:59 PM | #2 | ||
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i would wonder how a camera would be able to detect a phone in a cradle was active an any way let alone see some of them in their mounted setups even being visible to a camera
or distinguish between your stereo running and you singing along or your phone active in the cradle and your talking to it or even with the new cars function voice command running and your talking to it id say it would run of more recognition detection software to detect the phone in an area relative to the driver to decide if your utilizing it
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30-11-2019, 06:16 PM | #3 | |||
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If it is in your hands then you are done. You can't get done for using voice commands or accessing the functions of your phone via your car radio. https://roadsafety.transport.nsw.gov...he-rules.html# As I said, there is actually a lot you CAN do on your phone while driving - as long as it's mounted in a phone holder.
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30-11-2019, 06:22 PM | #4 | |||
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30-11-2019, 06:36 PM | #5 | |||
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That's the only real way you are going to get pinged. I knew a chap that used to lay his phone sideways in front of the speedo - it would slide back and fourth but lean back at such an angle that it was able to be used and most of the time it was a navigator so the driver just used the speed output on the screen and not his car one. With the plastic overhang that keeps the sun off some clusters then he won't be done as there is no proof he is fooling around with his phone. These cameras will pay for themselves within months but then drop drastically once word gets out that you can't get done if it's in a holder.
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30-11-2019, 09:11 PM | #6 | ||
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The level of addiction people have to them, is amazing.
I’ve worked out the triangular panel above the ICC on a BA/F Falcon can be worked up to accommodate an iPad mini, and just look like the factory stand-up touch screens on many contemporary cars. That solves the “problem” for me. |
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01-12-2019, 07:37 AM | #7 | ||
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Have to say i'm on the road a bit and most weaving cars have a 40/50 something trying to access there phone, plus most of the kids i know have had a nose to tail from looking down to txt. Look around you when your stuck in traffic and every ones head is buried in there laps. As Citroenbender said peoples addiction to them is amazing. Imagine what a penalty of 3 months of no phone use would do to some people, hard to enforce but i feel its up there with impaired driving.
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01-12-2019, 12:26 PM | #8 | |||
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To me, this is just yet another way to automate and therefore monetise police activity. If phone use isn't a major link to road trauma, but its only causing involvement in minor accidents, then it contradicts the police's position to not attend minor accidents. Either it's serious enough to warrant police interest, or it's not. |
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02-12-2019, 09:45 AM | #9 | |||
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Get off your phones people, not saying at all you do b0son.
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02-12-2019, 06:55 PM | #10 | |||
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if they were genuinely concerned about safety, they would attend fender benders and they would hand out fines for negligent driving. that likely would have an effect on driving standards. similarly, they would require elderly drivers to demonstrate competence. per km travelled, our oldest drivers are as dangerous as the youngest. but the big difference is that young drivers have predominantly single vehicle accidents, elderly drivers tend to hit others. on that basis alone, they warrant more police attention. instead, police roll out tech to target behaviour lots of drivers partake in, without necessarily doing much for road safety. sounds familiar... |
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01-12-2019, 08:27 AM | #11 | ||
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This government should be congratulated for bring this law in
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01-12-2019, 12:43 PM | #12 | ||
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01-12-2019, 01:49 PM | #13 | ||
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When I'm out shopping or wherever, I lose count how many times people nearly walk into you because they're watching their phone, and not what's going on around them.
Can just imagine this on the roads. |
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01-12-2019, 02:26 PM | #14 | ||
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Great idea I've been caught behind two this week right hand lane 10 and 20km under the speed limit oblivious to anything else. I usually sound my horn as I go by only to be greeted with a scowl for selfishly interrupting their conversation
I've also taken to giving a little more space to the car at front at traffic lights. As soon as you see the head go down in the car behind take your foot off the brake to turn off the brake lights, roll forward a foot and watch them think its time to go. Great sport but after a couple of goes I think some of them get wise to it. Regarding cradles is there any legislation on the positioning of them? Far too often I see them mounted on the windscreen under the rear view mirror of next to the A-pillar. The obstruction of vision would **** me to tears.
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01-12-2019, 02:50 PM | #15 | ||
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Imagine coming out of jail after 30 years and seeing all these people with things in their ears looking down at this rectangular device everywhere wondering around slowly - you'd think the zombie apocalypse has come and gone while you were inside.
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01-12-2019, 07:02 PM | #16 | |||
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01-12-2019, 04:52 PM | #17 | ||
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01-12-2019, 05:05 PM | #18 | ||
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Its funny you know, I remember a time when you'd never pull up behind a truck or other heavy vehicle at a set of lights if there was another lane without one as the heavy vehicle occupied lane was always the slowest at getting going, that is no longer the case and I believe its for 2 reasons, firstly heavy vehicles have become quicker off the mark but more importantly, the general publics fixation with checking who's said what at every opportunity now results in long lines of dreamers lined up in the fast lane and when the light goes green they take forever to A/ realise the light has changed and they're now free to go on with life, B/engage a gear and get going.
Meanwhile the once slow left lane is now well and truly up to speed. Check it out next time you're in traffic, its quite noticeable. |
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01-12-2019, 10:47 PM | #19 | ||
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Reminded me of this...
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01-12-2019, 11:49 PM | #20 | ||
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I second the front line in traffic and the amount of times the person in the front is still stationary long after the green light.
I also observe how few holders are in use and put it down to modern cars with entertainment systems and screens. I think it is the most dangerous habit to be texting while driving and annoying the number of drivers who are on their phones at the lights, especially the first vehicle. On the phone while on a call is not so bad but still a distraction even with blue tooth connection thru the vehicle, it does suck up some attention, but at least you can have your eyes on the road. I use my phone for navigation and it is kept in a holder. More modern vehicles integrate your phone and learning your phones car mode is the solution, if you make calls while you drive. There are plenty of road rules that are not well known online and regarding use of a phone, it has to be in a holder or in your pocket otherwise it is in use. The Police are allowed to use their phones while driving but if they are serious about road safety they'd make it illegal for them as well as it spreads the wrong message and image that it is somehow okay to be on your phone. |
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02-12-2019, 07:39 AM | #22 | ||
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I think it’s more attitudinal than phone based conduct, that issue.
Having been rear-ended hard a couple of times I will go through an amber light if not reasonably confident the car behind is watching and can/will stop. (I also deliberately flash the brakes three or more times when braking to a halt.) |
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02-12-2019, 08:48 AM | #23 | ||
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back in late 70's early 80's I had a Ford Transit with sliding front doors, great way to travel in summer, doors clipped open etc.
But the pleasure was pulling up to traffic lights have a cassette players that had pre recorded noises, one was phone ringing... conversation would go like this. 'ring ring ring' 'gidday, me here...' pretend to listen... 'yeah, they right beside me....hang on...' lean out to car next door with the old black bakalite phone mouth piece 'oi!....phone call for ya...' traffic lights change and your off... laughing stupid heads off. We had a guy chased us for 5 miles down Parramatta Rd one day wanting to know who it was wanting to talk to him.
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02-12-2019, 10:28 AM | #24 | ||
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see, I'm far from convinced. If phone usage was really such a road safety issue, the cops could have been out in force years ago policing the already existing laws, but how many people do you know have ever been done? Call me old, grumpy and cynical, but why wait until it can be automated to police this law? Revenue?
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02-12-2019, 11:21 AM | #25 | |||
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In Sydney city the motorbike police far outnumber the cars. They lane split and check drivers. I’ve seen countless people get done. You ask any cop and they will tell you catching people on the phone would be the easiest way to meet their ‘quota’ |
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02-12-2019, 12:36 PM | #26 | |||
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Season 2 Episode 3 summary includes the comment "Mark and Rohan are sick of busting driver after driver on their mobile phones with lame excuses." Episode here: https://7plus.com.au/motorbike-cops?...-id=MTCP02-003
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02-12-2019, 01:13 PM | #27 | |||
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If you stupid enough to contribute to government revenue then so be it, everyone knows they are risking a fine when using their phones illegally. No sympathy to the dumb asses who are risking our lives. |
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02-12-2019, 02:01 PM | #28 | ||
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I don't have a problem with pinging people who are using their phones whilst driving or at lights/intersections etc. but what I have a problem with is the ambiguous rules, especially here in SA with regard to using them when 'parked' and the 'official' interpretation of that term.
In SA we are allowed to use a mobile device to make and receive a call when parked, the rule makes no mention of whether the engine can be running or not, only that 'parked' can not be at lights or queued in traffic. I've had some people say must be switched off, some say all good to be running, the problem is the rule doesn't actually specify. I had an incident last week with regard to this exact situation, had just left the school where the bus had sat without the engine running for around 20 minutes in 25* weather, it doesn't take long for the inside to reach much higher and so I always turn the AC on when we get under way. Soon after leaving the school one of my new students gets up and starts wondering around the bus, I caution them but unfortunately being new Australians they don't quite understand the rules or what im saying necessarily, so my only option is to contact the school co-ordinator and notify them of the situation, this can take quite a while as they aren't always readily on hand to take a call, I have a direct line but if I was to go by the proper procedure it involves a call to the contractor, who then contacts the school, who then contacts the co-ordinator, who then contacts me, it can take 10 minutes minimum. Obviously I cant do this whilst driving and as my first drop off was only a few hundred meters up the road I arrived there, put the bus in park as its an auto, applied the handbrake and switched on the hazard lights, I left the engine running with the AC on as it was still very warm, these AC units take a while to cool the bus. I opened the bus door and let the 2 students, who's house i'd arrived at, out. Now as far as im concerned I've done the right thing, waited until I stopped and parked the bus. I reached for my phone and only just picked it up when some guy riding past on his push bike, on the footpath with no helmet might I add, stopped and started going off his head because in his mind, having the engine running, im driving whilst on the phone. So I tried to explain the situation but he wasn't having a bar of it, threatened to call my employer etc. etc. So when I got home I searched up the road rules, this is the rule as written for SA... AUSTRALIAN ROAD RULES - REG 300 300—Use of mobile phones (1) The driver of a vehicle must not use a mobile phone while the vehicle is moving, or is stationary but not parked, unless— (a) the phone is being used to make or receive an audio phone call and the body of the phone— (i) is secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle while being so used; or (ii) is not secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle and is not being held by the driver, and the use of the phone does not require the driver, at any time while using it, to press any thing on the body of the phone or to otherwise manipulate any part of the body of the phone; or (ab) the phone is being used as a driver's aid and— (i) the body of the phone is secured in a mounting affixed to the vehicle while being so used; and (ii) the use of the phone does not require the driver, at any time while using it, to press any thing on the body of the phone or otherwise to manipulate any part of the body of the phone; or (b) the vehicle is an emergency vehicle or a police vehicle; or (c) the driver is exempt from this rule under another law of this jurisdiction. Offence provision. Note— "Emergency vehicle", "park" and "police vehicle are defined in the dictionary. SA NOTE— For South Australia, in addition to this rule, see regulation 44 of the Road Traffic (Road Rules—Ancillary and Miscellaneous Provisions) Regulations 2014 And this from the SA Government DPTI website.. You must not use a hand-held mobile phone while your vehicle is moving or is stationary in traffic (for example, at traffic lights). You may, however, use a hand-held mobile phone while your vehicle is parked. If a person wishes to make or receive a call, including dialling a number and needs to touch any part of the phone to do so, that phone must be mounted (in a mounting commercially designed and manufactured for that purpose). If the phone is being used via blue tooth, a headset or earphones without touching, holding or resting the phone on their body, the driver may touch the earpiece or headphone to operate the phone (the phone may be located anywhere in the vehicle, including the driver's pocket or pouch they are wearing). It is an offence to create, send or look at a text, video message or email on a mobile phone. It is an offence to make or receive a video call on a mobile phone whilst your vehicle is moving. Drivers of police or emergency vehicles are exempt. Now I understand why some people would consider having your engine running as not 'parked' but if I we're to pull up in my car in a zone marked with a NO PARKING sign and left my engine running for half an hour, am I parked? Thoughts.. Last edited by BENT_8; 02-12-2019 at 02:09 PM. |
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If you look at the link in Jinksie's post above it clearly states under point 5 of the unrestricted licence heading, that 'parked' means out of the line of traffic and can have the ignition on whilst using a mobile device. So their interpretation in that instance is that having your ignition on is still considered 'parked', yet having it on in a No Parking zone is considered 'Standing'. Then there's this from the SA Gov DPTI website with regards to 'parking'... 'Parking is when you stop and allow your vehicle to stay in one place, whether or not you leave the vehicle unattended. Again, no mention of ignition position. These things could easily be cleared up with a few additional words in the written rule. Last edited by BENT_8; 02-12-2019 at 09:29 PM. |
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