HSV's are getting a weight loss.

bman · 09-10-2010, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Except they wont, they're made a clear statement that atleast for the near term power is frozen where it is.
They've already said technology is the way forward...

First step for the VE was more aero, that has been acomplished with the Holden Series II and some of the areo upgrades (not the front end) will filter doen to HSV. Next step is a weight reduction and they are roumored to be looking for 100kg.

No power hike, FPV have this one in the bag for the next two or three years and even then FPV can just turn up the pressure on that SC to easily match what ever HSV dish out!!

bman · 09-10-2010, 11:15 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Intersting take on it... which review did you actually read..?

eerr...i think you had best read it again.....

4Vman · 09-10-2010, 11:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

First step for the VE was more aero, that has been acomplished with the Holden Series II and some of the areo upgrades (not the front end) will filter doen to HSV. Next step is a weight reduction and they are roumored to be looking for 200kg.

No power hike, FPV have this one in the bag for the next two or three years and even then FPV can just turn up the pressure on that SC to easily match what ever HSV dish out!!

Was? nup, nothing new in the aero there, 200kg weight loss?? You're cracking me up! seriously.. If they can shed 10kg's that's a great achievement..
Anyway back to GS and how its going to spank the HSV..

bman · 09-10-2010, 11:28 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Was? nup, nothing new in the aero there, 200kg weight loss?? You're cracking me up! seriously.. If they can shed 10kg's that's a great achievement..
Anyway back to GS and how its going to spank the HSV..

200 is a typo....100kg is the word....apologies its late.

So far its looking like the GS in a straight line will trounce HSV, but HSV shouldn't be the bench mark....or should it? What about the rest of the package? There was no mention of the improved steering from the weight loss.

Did anybody read the Herald today, they had a special on it and they seemed to indicate that there was not improvement in the steering??

4Vman · 09-10-2010, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

200 is a typo....100kg is the word....apologies its late.

So far its looking like the GS in a straight line will trounce HSV, but HSV shouldn't be the bench mark....or should it? What about the rest of the package? There was no mention of the improved steering from the weight loss.

Did anybody read the Herald today, they had a special on it and they seemed to indicate that there was not improvement in the steering??

100kg sounds like a huge typo too, maybe over 5-10 years, but 1-3? try single digits....

You'd cry if i told you what it costs to shed 1kg form a vehicle....

bman · 10-10-2010, 11:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

100kg sounds like a huge typo too, maybe over 5-10 years, but 1-3? try single digits....

You'd cry if i told you what it costs to shed 1kg form a vehicle....

Holden and HSV are looking for 100, apparently bringing in engineers from a leading euro car maker. I cant imagine that they will get there but the next platform will be a smaller affair. The future for the falcon/torus a smaller affair as well?

Compare the falcon and como to euro equivelant and there is no doubting the fact that they are both fatties!!! Even a 5 Series is sub 1700kg and look at what they cram into that package.....

4Vman · 10-10-2010, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

Holden and HSV are looking for 100, apparently bringing in engineers from a leading euro car maker. I cant imagine that they will get there but the next platform will be a smaller affair. The future for the falcon/torus a smaller affair as well?

Compare the falcon and como to euro equivelant and there is no doubting the fact that they are both fatties!!! Even a 5 Series is sub 1700kg and look at what they cram into that package.....

Are you suggesting Ford aren't on a similar quest to reduce weight, or any car manufacturer for that matter? Maybe they'll be able to match Holden Kg for Kg in the weightloss game?
What's a C63 weigh?

Seems unusual that you think only Holden have this as a focus..

Its easy to pull numbers out of the sky and say "that's our aim", maybe its best to focus on what we know and how they sit today?

Can you post/quote all the bad reviews too?

jpd80 · 10-10-2010, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by bman

Holden and HSV are looking for 100, apparently bringing in engineers from a leading euro car maker. I cant imagine that they will get there but the next platform will be a smaller affair. The future for the falcon/torus a smaller affair as well?

Compare the falcon and como to euro equivelant and there is no doubting the fact that they are both fatties!!! Even a 5 Series is sub 1700kg and look at what they cram into that package.....

a 2010 5 series I-6 with Auto transmission is barely 25 Kg lighter than the FG.
And what's more the US fuel economy figures on that engine (16/24 mpg) are
no better than that achieved by the V8 Pontiac G8.

The 5 series also has around 75 mm less shoulder room and rear leg room
and that before we even start on the price of the Bimmer...

galaxy xr8 · 10-10-2010, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by bman

ok, gotcha. Looking forward to a full blown review then

You seem to want to focus on the negitives all the time especially on this new S/C, Don't tell me your brand new HSV is far superior, well it would be in your eyes, either that or you want to believe it is by reading all the dribble and pointing out the negitives.

bman · 10-10-2010, 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by galaxy xr8

You seem to want to focus on the negitives all the time especially on this new S/C, Don't tell me your brand new HSV is far superior, well it would be in your eyes, either that or you want to believe it is by reading all the dribble and pointing out the negitives.

no not at all, trying to remain objective and not fall in love with a car I have not even driven yet.....but if fpv have spent $40M on this new engine and are still getting mixed reviews....

I have no love for either Ford or Holden, I love aussie muscle and that is where it ends.

I wand this SC falcon to be a HSV killer, HSV have had it too good for too long, no competition.....just look at the face of the E2.....clearly they were not worried about putting what is essentially a pretty ugly nose on the market. They need to have sales competition because in the end you and i as consumers will benifit with better quality for less.....$85k+ for a GTS???

**DJM83** · 10-10-2010, 12:08 PM

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no not at all, trying to remain objective and not fall in love with a car I have not even driven yet.....but if fpv have spent $40M on this new engine and are still getting mixed reviews....

I have no love for either Ford or Holden, I love aussie muscle and that is where it ends.

I wand this SC falcon to be a HSV killer, HSV have had it too good for too long, no competition.....just look at the face of the E2.....clearly they were not worried about putting what is essentially a pretty ugly nose on the market. They need to have sales competition because in the end you and i as consumers will benifit with better quality for less.....$85k+ for a GTS???

Name one Aussie car that hasnt received a bad review?

bman · 10-10-2010, 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by DJM83

Name one Aussie car that hasnt received a bad review?

um....err......let me see......eer.....nup.......you have me on that one!!!

tex · 10-10-2010, 11:19 AM

Hahahaha, that bboy fellow is a crack up, he's full of accurate Holden stats that's for sure.

I have never actually read a review on the FG that actually said the steering was crap, I'll have to expand my search.

Aero improvements? Yeh, that's what's needed to improve the handling at 100kmph. They should have spent 10 mill on that, and only fitted half a pump.

tex · 10-10-2010, 01:06 PM

bman · 10-10-2010, 01:25 PM

OMG PEOPLE!!

ASSUME; to take for granted or without proof; suppose; postulate

Your telling me that I am doing something that I myself am saying that I am doing....so intelligent of you......

Smoke Pursuit · 10-10-2010, 01:33 PM

Why dont you holden fanyboys stick to holdens and stop filling these threads with dribble..

Seriously, we hear both you, now move on.

b0son · 10-10-2010, 01:46 PM

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fanyboys

more irony right there.

Falc'man · 10-10-2010, 02:36 PM

Thread has been split and moved to relevant area.

**Polyal** · 10-10-2010, 03:13 PM

Relevant?

Falc'man · 10-10-2010, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Polyal

Relevant?

What do you recommend?

Smoke Pursuit · 10-10-2010, 03:18 PM

delete.

Falc'man · 10-10-2010, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bfiipursuit

delete.

See here.

http://www.fordforums.com.au/showthr...=1#post3386259

irlewy86 · 10-10-2010, 07:22 PM

If Holden can find 100kg of weight saving on an existing platform without something silly like a starfire in the engine bay, I'll eat my hat.

Thats no empty threat, I'll record a youtube clip of me, a dinner plate, knife and fork enjoying a cotton/polyester hat.

jpd80 · 10-10-2010, 09:22 PM

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Originally Posted by irlewy86

If Holden can find 100kg of weight saving on an existing platform without something silly like a starfire in the engine bay, I'll eat my hat.

Thats no empty threat, I'll record a youtube clip of me, a dinner plate, knife and fork enjoying a cotton/polyester hat.

This 100 Kg weight loss fairy tale for Zeta had its roots in an idea Holden had for using aluminium bolt on
panels for doors and boot lid. IIRC, the whole idea was scrapped in favor of move onto a lighter platform instead.....

phillyc · 11-10-2010, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

This 100 Kg weight loss fairy tale for Zeta had its roots in an idea Holden had for using aluminium bolt on
panels for doors and boot lid. IIRC, the whole idea was scrapped in favor of move onto a lighter platform instead.....

The 2009 VF was meant to have plastic composite front guards, roof and bootlid and they were looking at aluminium doors too. Funnily enough the VF is yet to happen and those changes to be made are still not done.

jpd80 · 11-10-2010, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by phillyc

The 2009 VF was meant to have plastic composite front guards, roof and bootlid and they were looking at aluminium doors too. Funnily enough the VF is yet to happen and those changes to be made are still not done.

Looks like VE has been quite an expensive exercise for Holden, maybe the cash to evolve
onto the next weight loss iteration evaporated with G8's $215 million loss...

No doubt Holden will lose weight eventually but I think both Ford and Holden are
doing it tougher than either likes to confess...

irlewy86 · 11-10-2010, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

This 100 Kg weight loss fairy tale for Zeta had its roots in an idea Holden had for using aluminium bolt on
panels for doors and boot lid. IIRC, the whole idea was scrapped in favor of move onto a lighter platform instead.....

And by lighter platform its either a lot smaller or ...... FWD

4Vman · 10-10-2010, 07:29 PM

I dont know of any automotive company that wouldnt focus on reducing vehicle weights as a principle R+D objective.
For anyone to claim otherwise simply because they didnt come out and directly state it is simply silly.
Holden claiming they're focusing on reducing weight is like them claiming they're trying to sell cars...... Its pointing out the obvious...

290v · 10-10-2010, 08:54 PM

And did you see they are advertising Launch control must be planning a lot of drag racing from the traffic light those Holden boy's

vztrt · 10-10-2010, 11:38 PM

Ford worked on dropping weight on the FG (hence why it only went up very little when it was released). I also believe the AU was lighter then the EL.