Camaro axed.

Rob 351 · 23-03-2023, 08:02 AM

Must say this happened much earlier than anticipated but not surprised considering it’s lack of sales compared to Mustang and Challenger in the States.
What now for Supercars?

https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...84S7V9b-QzQi51

jpd80 · 23-03-2023, 08:43 AM

Has been known for at least 18 months that I know of, hence the hate from GM fans that the “new Mustang looks more like Camaro”,blew up a storm in a tea cup last year. IMO, that sort of projection sour grapes tells me that new Mustang should pick plenty of ex Camaro buyers.

Rob 351 · 23-03-2023, 08:52 AM

Yep I know it was going to happen, but not in 9 months time. I think most people expected it probably late 2025 at the earliest.

Wretched · 23-03-2023, 08:57 AM

It'll likely come back in a few years on another platform.

**FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0** · 23-03-2023, 09:38 AM

I haven't read the above story, but wasn't there some talk (conformation?) that the Camaro would be replaced with a new EV platform? If that is the case, maybe this is just the end of the ICE Camaro?

Dr Smith · 23-03-2023, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

I haven't read the above story, but wasn't there some talk (conformation?) that the Camaro would be replaced with a new EV platform? If that is the case, maybe this is just the end of the ICE Camaro?

...so you think it's ICE iced, baby...only...
now I've ear wormed myself....

T3rminator · 23-03-2023, 10:36 AM

They should just put all that gear into a Monaro / GTO shell. Would sell better I reckon.

Citroënbender · 23-03-2023, 10:44 AM

Out of curiosity, how has this genre of cars been selling across Asia and the Subcontinent? Are there any countries which have been significant markets for the three?

lra · 23-03-2023, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by T3rminator

They should just put all that gear into a Monaro / GTO shell. Would sell better I reckon.

Yanks didn't like the V2 Monaro / Pontiac GTO shape, not 'tough enough' for their tastes.
GM supplied the design idea for the Camaro, Holden did all the engineering and final design to the US requirements off the VE platform.
One of the main reasons the VE Monaro / Coupe 60 was canned.

Anyhow, no loss or tears for the Camaro as far as Australians are concerned.

**anobserver** · 23-03-2023, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

It'll likely come back in a few years on another platform.

Like a Mach E clone.

Trevor 57 · 23-03-2023, 04:08 PM

Just go an buy a Corvette, what is the issue?

jpd80 · 23-03-2023, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

Just go an buy a Corvette, what is the issue?

Price,

US prices for Corvette start at USD$64,000……that’s close to AUS$100,000 unconverted and undelivered.
GM once mentioned doing factory RHD Corvette but quietly dropped that idea, well they don’t advertise it..

How much is that new RHD Mustang…….lack of global sales killed the cumarro….
Say Cumarro to a yank and watch his head go red and nostrils flare…ka-merr-oh

turbo4 · 23-03-2023, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Price,

US prices for Corvette start at USD$64,000……that’s close to AUS$100,000 unconverted and undelivered.
GM once mentioned doing factory RHD Corvette but quietly dropped that idea, well they don’t advertise it..

Isn't the new Corvette a factory RHD?

Trevor 57 · 27-03-2023, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by jpd80

Price,

US prices for Corvette start at USD$64,000……that’s close to AUS$100,000 unconverted and undelivered.
GM once mentioned doing factory RHD Corvette but quietly dropped that idea, well they don’t advertise it..

How much is that new RHD Mustang…….lack of global sales killed the cumarro….
Say Cumarro to a yank and watch his head go red and nostrils flare…ka-merr-oh

we are talking Supercars here, not real cars, they just bolt/screw plastic panels on to make it look like a Corvette - did you read the opening post?

fgpsi · 24-03-2023, 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Wretched

It'll likely come back in a few years on another platform.

all electric with v8 sound coming from speakers hidden under the car

Yaw · 01-04-2023, 05:52 AM

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Originally Posted by fgpsi

all electric with v8 sound coming from speakers hidden under the car

I recall a show called Beyond 2000, had a very Young Simon Reeves and Amanda Keller as the hosts.

One of the things they showed was an internal sound for a car. It would make any car sound (inside the cabin) as your choice of vehicle. Ferrarri Lambo, V8 etc

**GasoLane** · 01-04-2023, 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Yaw

I recall a show called Beyond 2000, had a very Young Simon Reeves and Amanda Keller as the hosts.

One of the things they showed was an internal sound for a car. It would make any car sound (inside the cabin) as your choice of vehicle. Ferrarri Lambo, V8 etc

Sound Racer.... as presented by Loz Blain

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Bossxr8 · 23-03-2023, 02:13 PM

I really don't know why GM are even in supercars here. It's not to promote anything they sell, and soon, the car won't even exist at all. So what's the point?

To promote the Chev brand that only sells Silverado's and a couple hundred Corvettes a year?

The name might continue in future, but it won't be a coupe. Most likely an EV crossover like the Mach E.

xr8territory · 28-03-2023, 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossxr8

I really don't know why GM are even in supercars here. It's not to promote anything they sell, and soon, the car won't even exist at all. So what's the point?

To promote the Chev brand that only sells Silverado's and a couple hundred Corvettes a year?

The name might continue in future, but it won't be a coupe. Most likely an EV crossover like the Mach E.

I thought Supercars were paying GM for the IP of the Corvette. GM could care less about the Australian Supercar series.

Rob 351 · 29-03-2023, 07:41 AM

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Originally Posted by xr8territory

I thought Supercars were paying GM for the IP of the Corvette. GM could care less about the Australian Supercar series.

On the flip side Supercars cares a great deal about GM…..

I just find it quite ironic that while Dodge and Chevy seem to be scaling back with muscle cars, Ford is powering on with higher hp models in the pipeline like the ‘Darkhorse’.

Thank you Ford..

Bossxr8 · 29-03-2023, 12:07 PM

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Going by what was published on Drive today the 2024 Challenger / Charger may live on next year with a twin turbo v6 as alternate options to the EV Versions.
I would love to see the Challenger or Charger on the race track in place of Camaro.
The Charger name plate must still have some support in this country (I know it is 4 door now)
It is not a V8, but beggars can't be choosers if that is all there is, that is in production next year.
Only problem is there is probably no chance they will make them in RHD.

Straight 6.

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Originally Posted by xr8territory

I thought Supercars were paying GM for the IP of the Corvette. GM could care less about the Australian Supercar series.

Camaro, not Corvette.

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Originally Posted by Trevor 57

and the Gen 2 Mustang looked like a Mustang

Apart from the higher roof, it did. Just imagine how much of a Frankenstein a Corvette would look like with the front jacked up to fit the engine in, the roof raised to match the Mustang roof height, and a foot chopped out behind the cabin to make the proportions useable. Yeah, that will happen

May as well be one of those dinky aussie racing car things that puts a caricature fibreglass body shell over a big go cart. At least the Mustang and Camaro look pretty much spot on with the showroom models now.

**Fordman1** · 23-03-2023, 05:53 PM

It’s Ok, T8 will win Supercars in a Camaro ( with zero manufacturers support from GM ) for the next 10 years.

**DFB FGXR6** · 23-03-2023, 06:15 PM

For once, Ford outsmarted GM with this one.

I have been highly critical of Ford for their continual stupidity regarding product decisions, namely a lack of export for products that would have been successful outside of the USA, Maverick and the Bronco twins in particular.

And yet, a decade ago, Ford knew they needed to expand outside of the US/Canada for Mustang to survive. And the result is they sell every single Mustang they make. From memory, Australia or the UK or the biggest export market for Mustang.

FCA/Stellantis or whatever they are calling themselves this week decided to stay local to the US with Challenger and Charger. GM did the same with Camaro. Both WOULD have been successful like the Mustang if exported. Instead, Dodge are making their pony cars electric, and GM are deserting the Camaro...............again.

eb2fairmont · 23-03-2023, 11:25 PM

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It’s Ok, T8 will win Supercars in a Camaro ( with zero manufacturers support from GM ) for the next 10 years.

Who cares. Supercars is a rubbish racing formula anyway.

**Fordman1** · 24-03-2023, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by eb2fairmont

Who cares. Supercars is a rubbish racing formula anyway.

True..

CyberWasp · 23-03-2023, 07:27 PM

I will go and hang this on their board room wall.

There are other people living in the white areas who have the potential to buy products that we make.

The population of the white areas combined is a lot larger than the USA.

If you successfully sell to the white areas you have a better economy of scale and a larger profit.

au2000 · 23-03-2023, 07:36 PM

Camaro was touted as dead about 2 years ago.. i was suprised they even bothered with a camaro body for the supercars.. so now it will be the super stang series or will it just be mustang v camry ?

bungarra · 24-03-2023, 11:20 AM

Just listening to the news, getting the youngest ready for school, GM representative says they will support all racing teams in US, Australia, Canada etc until the end of 2024, then it's tough luck, you're on your own boys and girls.

jpd80 · 25-03-2023, 03:09 PM

Did they ever end up selling any converted Camaros in Australia?
Thought they gave up because of low orders…..more money in trucks I guess.

turbo4 · 25-03-2023, 05:47 PM

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Did they ever end up selling any converted Camaros in Australia?
Thought they gave up because of low orders…..more money in trucks I guess.

They did, it was only for a short time though. I.think they started in late 2018 and finished in early 2020.
I think there was an update to the Camaro and they couldn't justify the work required to continue production