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Ford screwed the Falcon
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Falcon: 1960 - 2016 My cars Current ride 2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual Previous rides 2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto 2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto 2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual 1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual 1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto 1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto |
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Au Falcon = Mr Reliable
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But the key to the Falcon's later i6's impressive torque figures is the undersqare nature of the donk Mr Trump?
Would that destroke negatively affect the non stressed, v8 like torque feel of the stock configuration off the line, compared to a more oversquare shorter stroke engine, just wondering lol? cheers, Maka
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No doubt, if Ford though a squarer engine would be better, they would have gone for it. |
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Au Falcon = Mr Reliable
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Ford AU Series Magazine Scans Here - www.fordforums.com.au/photos/index.php?cat=2792 Proud owner of a optioned keeper S1 Tickford Falcon AU XR6 VCT - "it's actually a better-balanced car than the XR8, goes almost as hard and uses about two-thirds of the fuel" (Drive.com 2007) |
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Shenanigans..............
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Puta madre!
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Just like the 2010 onwards 5.0L were all referred to as Miami, despite their Coyote origins. All the part descriptions featured that name. |
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XB COUPE TOO!
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BAWITHLOT Transformation BA Parts Forsale
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The ability to see the performance , reliability and even economy out of it for affordable numbers from 2002-2016 is something that Ford Australia should be proud of in my book especially given the development constraints that would have been imposed on them as the Falcon and Territory marked dwindled. |
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Yes mate, 79mm vs 99 for the 3.9. The 3.2 was actually available early in the EA’s in SOHC centre point injection configuration. There are a few pics around of this early DOHC, think I have a black and white one but I’m O/S at the moment so can’t access it.
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PX MK II Ranger FG XR6 FG X XR8 Mustang GT T3 TS50 - gone but not forgotten |
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Where were those pics taken?
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Ford Discovery Centre in Geelong, circa 2012, just before they closed it all down.
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Most of them are in storage. They were supposed to be housed here:
http://www.gmom.com.au/wp/ at their new site. However there is no news about if it will even reopen.
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That 1987 engine is still 4L, not a 3.2L variant. Neither had VCT and any 3.2 variant may not havr had a BBM either. Both would make a big difference on the torque curve.
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Barra Turbo > V8
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Id love some more info on this engine, this stuff fascinates me.
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I can only gather that maybe that the prototype head/block was topped with the manifold and sump to make it displayable. That engine wasn't there in 2009 when I visited but was in 2012. Perhaps it was dusted off and dressed up for the museum?
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Nope, a proud owner of a turbo Barra and a supercharged 5.0 . However I fail to have any respect for the Canadian Ford V8s that Ford Australia used from 1991 to 2010, all of them were Canadian boat anchors that were easily embarrassed by an inline-6
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G'day , The Barra is a physically big engine , even in displacement 3984 cc. is not small by any means . As they sit , fully dressed in standard form ie the XR6 T versus the XR8 SC , what's the difference in weight between the two engines ? . With the old 5.4 Boss 290 ,would that be any heavier compared to the 5.0 SC out of curiosity ? .
Remember watching a review when the FG came along and Toby Hagon ran the XR6 T , XR8 with 5.4 L V8 . Comparing the I6T v 5.4 V8 versions he mentioned the Turbo felt a better ,faster car maybe due to weight and balance etc issues perhaps . On the N/A Barra he reckoned the engine "no way feels like a base engine " . Here it is from almost a decade ago now if anybody hasn't seen it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3xZFJvGwdx4&t=17s Cheers Rod Last edited by roddy1960; 10-12-2017 at 12:57 PM. |
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https://www.motormag.com.au/features...t-supercharged
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Barra Turbo > V8
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So it seems around this month its 20 years since we got the XR6 Turbo.
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When Ford began developing the 4 Valve head for the 6 Cylinder BMW and Jaguar were the only companies building larger capacity inline 6s with 4 valves per cylinder.
Ford owned Jaguar at the time so had access to their knowledge and i.p. Ford Australia Engineering Department were also lent a BMW M5 by a Melbourne Dealer the engine was dismantled as part of the development process. A bad design feature on the Barra, the Alternator should have been located above the Power Steering Pump. Imagine if Ford had have built a block out of a lightweight metal. Last edited by EBSXR6; 17-09-2022 at 04:13 PM. |
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Barra Turbo > V8
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Id love to know some of the stuff behinds its development, im curious thats for sure.
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