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I take it that slot car questions were not answered?
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Yes the question about DSC on FPV's was avoided well...
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add to that the fact that any subsequent questions on a topic after the engineers discussed it weren't put through so there was no chance for clarification of points
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 :.Can we organise something similar to what 9MSN did on these forums? Would be dam sight better than their narrow attempt.
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From the Territory section of the forums;
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Well at least the last part is true. So can ANYONE at ford give us an official statement of what the problem is with the control arm, why is it taking so long to fix and what is FORD doing about quality control, apart from crossing fingers and hoping it won't happen again. |
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Gee, that Ford PR bloke must be busy at work, 6 posts in 10 months to keep the Ford punters happy.
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You guys are being a bit harsh. Seems like all questions forwarded by the moderators were answered fairly.
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What debate do you think the 5.3 second to 100kph question caused...... LOL
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Well TURBOTAXI im sure ****ers like the Screwby would have something to say about it.
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Well I read the transcript on the ninemsn website today and although I believe Andrew in who he says attended, I also could not help but smell the offensive odour of marketing behind the answers. Engineers DO NOT talk like that and that is a cold hard fact. My experience talking to them has been anything but "sugary marketing fluff". The guys I talked to did not provide answers that come straight out of a product release brochure, or answering only those questions that can easily be turned into promotional cheese.
Just how much "moderation" do these ninemsn gentlemen do, and have they also been prep'd to not pass on any genuine hard-hitting questions?????? If it weren't for Blanky (MADXF) and The Don (Laminge) providing their questions, the whole exercise may as well have been one big farcical press release.
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the question regarding the omission of DSC on FPV's was also sidestepped
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Sysop_Mardi says: Welcome to the Ford Engineers chat room. This live interview is moderated. This means that all questions you enter are sent to an Interview Host who decides which questions will be asked to the engineers.
Sysop_Mardi says: ninemsn in association with Ford, present a Live Interview with a team of leading Ford engineers to answer your questions about the current and new Falcon models - and whatever else you have been burning to ask all these years! Sysop_Mardi says: To ask your questions, please use the Submit a Question option on your top right (just above the room name). Do not ask questions in the open chat room as the interview host cannot see them. Sysop_Mardi says: Guys thanks for joining us tonight, we will get straight into the questions from the chatters who have joined us . SodaWater in ninemsn_events1 asks: Can you please tell us a little bit about the process of developing a new car from idea to production? ninemsnLive_Guest says: The process begins four to five years before the vehicle goes into production. ninemsnLive_Guest says: It relies on customer feedback, benchmarking competitors and trends in the market. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Through a rigorous process of converting customer wants into designs and features we go through a series of prototype vehicle development phases incorporating many thousands of hours of engineering testing. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Also, gathering customer feedback before those designs are committed to production. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end NoMoreSaladPlease in ninemsn_events1 asks: Can you please tell us a little about the quality control process for Ford cars before they are released to production? ninemsnLive_Guest says: The development of our new product starts several years before the actual launch date. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Our quality control system includes testing of components, systems and vehicle in a virtual environment as well as on the road. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Our testing includes many hours on test strips and in the proving ground. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Hundreds of thousands of kilometers are covered in our proving ground as well as throughout the country. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Failure are identified, analysied and identified in every prototype phase until several months before launch when the go-ahead is given. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Frickadeller in ninemsn_events1 asks: I'm tossing up between the new Falcon and the Territory - what do you believe are the key selling points for both cars? ninemsnLive_Guest says: Ford Falcon depending on the model you select we have a choice of 5 engines. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Vastly improved fuel economy. In fact an XR6 and Fairmont Ghia with 6-speed auto, we have class leading fuel economy. ninemsnLive_Guest says: We have the most advanced front and rear suspension systems in the class. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Falcon has world class 6-speed automatic transmission. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Finally, the most powerful 6-cylinder in it's class. ninemsnLive_Guest says: The Territory is an SUV with car-like handling. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Flexible and innovative interior with over 30 storage spaces. ninemsnLive_Guest says: It is available in rear wheel drive or all wheel drive. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Up to 7-seat capacity with comfortable optional third row seating for 95th percentile male ninemsnLive_Guest says: Also Territory Ghia is the first Austalian vehicle with reverse camera. ninemsnLive_Guest says: And Finally Territory 4WD models now have the world class 6-speed automatic transmission. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end NervyNelly in ninemsn_events1 asks: Are the new falcon and territory fitted with ABS brakes? ninemsnLive_Guest says: Yes. ninemsnLive_Guest says: ABS is standard on every Territory and Falcon and includes ebd - electronic brakeforce distribution. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Also, don't forget that traction control is standard on those models as well. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Traction control is standard on all petrol engine models. ninemsnLive_Guest says: They are all tuned for Australian road conditions. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end bmauds in ninemsn_events1 asks: Is the Territory being bought out in diesel? ninemsnLive_Guest says: With regard to the last question, sorry but we cannot comment on future product actions. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end looking4car in ninemsn_events2 asks: Can you add the 7 seat option to the Territory if needed later after purchase of the 5 seat option? ninemsnLive_Guest says: The optional third row seats must be specified before the vehicle manufactured. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end beef_jerky in ninemsn_events1 asks: In the past there have been cars manufactured with women in mind. What do you believe is appealing to women about the new Falcon and Territory? ninemsnLive_Guest says: Both Falcon and Territory find numerous safety features such as traction control, dynamic stability control on certain models, numerous airbags. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Both vehicles are designed to offer optimum flexibility with large interior space and numerous storage innovations. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Specifically Territory both rear wheel drive and all wheel drive commands seating position for optimum visibility. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Both models offer unique features like adjustable pedals, designed to accommodate people of all sizes in terms of height and both vehicles deliver optimum performance, fuel economy and refinements. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Bruce in ninemsn_events1 asks: Previous AU to BA's had towing limits tempered by Ford tow speed advice that was frankly not adhered to by caravan towing clients. Restricting towing to 80kph is likely to incur road rage. Does the BF with it's improved tow performance overcome this? ninemsnLive_Guest says: We have a lot of conflicting engineering constraints, we try really hard to give customer the best package we can. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Towing capacity of the new Falcon and Territory is outlined in the owner manual and owners should follow these recommendations. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end f351c in ninemsn_events1 asks: Why did the brembo brakes on the FPV range get downgraded? The rear calipers got smaller and the braided brake lines were deleted. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Brembo brakes are now standard on all FPV's, where they were optional on BA. ninemsnLive_Guest says: GT now has 4 pistons Brembo front brakes and the GTP 6 piston Brembo front brakes offering superior performance to the superceded model. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end HSV in ninemsn_events2 asks: Motor Mag in their recent Performance Car Of The Year commented that the one thing all the Falcons had in common was low mid-corner speed. This was compared to holdens and other brands. Has anything been done to improve this? ninemsnLive_Guest says: There are no suspension changes in the BF range and our customer feedback is very positive, real world on-road real driving conditions. ninemsnLive_Guest says: If you read last week's Wheels magazine you will find a different opinion on the handling of the BF Falcon. ninemsnLive_Guest says: enc Perri in ninemsn_events2 asks: What does dynamic control do to help stabalise the car? ninemsnLive_Guest says: Dynamic stability control monitors the driving conditions of your car and detects an unstable situation. ninemsnLive_Guest says: where the care is at risk to lose front or rearend grip. ninemsnLive_Guest says: This can happen under adverse road conditons or in emergency situations. ninemsnLive_Guest says: DSC will selective apply the brakes and control engine output to stabilise the vehicle and help control the situation. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Sven in ninemsn_events1 asks: Many of us feel that the thing that holds the performance Falcons back is their weight. Has anything being done to help them shed a few kilos? Sysop_ninemsn says: *** Please be aware that the team of engineers sometimes have to refer to specifications and this can cause a slight delay in answering the question. Please be patient. *** Sysop_ninemsn says: *** Dont forget to come back on Monday the 14th at the same time, if your question doesnt come through tonight! *** ninemsnLive_Guest says: We have delivered great performance improvements with the new models. ninemsnLive_Guest says: We pride ourselves on being able to engineer affordable performance vehicles. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Lightweight technologies are expensive to design and implement and have only marginal impact on overall performance. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end petersch in ninemsn_events2 asks: Why does the XR6 standard ute not have the new 6-speed gear box? ninemsnLive_Guest says: Again, we design and develop vehicles based on customer feedback. With regards to XR6 utes a key want is an affordable performance workhorse. ninemsnLive_Guest says: 6-speed automatic transmission technology comes with at a premium. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end DaaDooDaa in ninemsn_events1 asks: With the new BF Falcon are you able to put extractors and exhaust system on the car, considering the new exhaust emissions control on the car? ninemsnLive_Guest says: BF Falcon and SY Territory have been engineered to meet the new Euro III tailpipe exhaust emissions and onboard diagnostic requirements that come into force in January 2006. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Any modification to the exhaust system or the exhaust catylist is not permitted as it may affect the comliance of the vehicle to these regulations. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Tobias in ninemsn_events1 asks: Why were the the power levels of the turbo raised but the V8 stayed the same? Are you trying to wean people off V8's due to the current petrol situation? ninemsnLive_Guest says: The BF Flacon turbo we introduced dual knock sensors and dual independent variable cam timing which enabled us to increase the power and torque of the engine. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Boff 260 v-8 engines in the XR8 already has class leading performance. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end BiBnBraceBetty in ninemsn_events1 asks: There was an exhuast upgrade, was there an intake upgrade and was there any performance increase ? ninemsnLive_Guest says: For the BF Falcon I6 engine we made major improvements with the addition of increased compression ratio, fuel independent variable cam timing and dual knock sensors which enabled us to improve the performance of the engine to 190kw and 383 Nm. ninemsnLive_Guest says: without needing changes to the intake system. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end f351c in ninemsn_events1 asks: The BF XR6 turbo seems to spend a lot more time off boost and feel a bit more sluggish than the BA, couldn't it have recieved different gearing to keep it on boost more of the time? ninemsnLive_Guest says: With the BF Falcon XR6 turbo the boost actually comes on earlier thanks to dual independent VCT. ninemsnLive_Guest says: The new gear ratios allow us to take maximum advantage of the increase in torque so we now have more torque at lower revs. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end samson in ninemsn_events2 asks: Congrats on BF Falcon. Can Tremec 6 speed manual be retrofited to BA 5 Speed manual? What about ECU/PCM issues ninemsnLive_Guest says: Although the transmission will bolt up to a BA engine there are other significant differences in the driveshaft and other systems in the vehicle that would make it a very complicated exercise. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Nate in ninemsn_events1 asks: Will we be able to disable the new Dynamic Stability Control? ninemsnLive_Guest says: Yes it can be turned off. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Although I would not know why you would want to do that. ninemsnLive_Guest says: We have optimised the calibration from sporty to comfortable depending on the derivitave. ninemsnLive_Guest says: As are result we deliver performance and control. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end ace in ninemsn_events1 asks: What's the point of all this traction control stuff? Cars a safe without it and it stops us doing burnouts! ninemsnLive_Guest says: Vehicles are safe with traction control turned off. They are safer with traction control turned on. ninemsnLive_Guest says: We recommend leaving the system on. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Tomato in ninemsn_events1 asks: I've had a ford for 12 years and I have never had a problem with it. What do you think is the secret to Ford's success? ninemsnLive_Guest says: The key to Ford's success has been our ability to understand and respond to our customers wants. ninemsnLive_Guest says: A rigorous validation process that begins 3 to 4 years before the vehicle is launched and our passion for satisfying customers. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Sysop_Mardi says: Thank you for joining us tonight, unfortunately we are out of time. We will look forward to seeing you back again Monday 14th November, at 8.30pm to answer more questions from the Ford Fans. ninemsnLive_Guest says: Thank you for having us here tonight, we look forward to seeing you again on the 14th November. ninemsnLive_Guest says: end Sysop_Mardi says: This concludes our Live Chat with the team of Ford Engineers, 31 October 2005 Sysop_Mardi says: Produced by ninemsn.com.au in Sydney, Australia Sysop_Mardi says: © 2005 ninemsn.com.au Sysop_Mardi says: Thanks for joining us tonight. Sysop_Mardi says: Dont forget to check out the Ford website at http://www.ford.com.au to keep yourself up to date with the latest models, specs and cool downloads.
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I asked about DSC effecting the size of different rims/tyres and no reply. I asked about why there is no VCT on the BOSS V8 (boff according to them) I knew the answer anyway. but i thought i would chuck it in. Got a reply saying it had class leading power !!!  :
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More sidesteps than Andrew Johns in a State of Origin game! I feel as though I have just re-read the press release for the entire BA and BF range, all in one!
Hmm let's see, must have gone something like this... -------------------------------------------------------------------- Memo to Ford/FPV staff involved in "Live Chat" on ninemsn, 31-Oct-05 -------------------------------------------------------------------- Prerequisites : Model brochures for BA, BF, and Territory. Modus Operandi : Promotion of product and benefits of latest series ONLY. This should be easily realised as we have prepared ninemsn operators to filter any controversial or inopportune questions. Avoid making any statements that are not either direct or indirect quotes from requisite brochures. In cases where questions refer to media reports that are not aligned to our product vision, shift focus to alternate media reports which have provided our required synergies. Questions pertaining to the operation of, or modification to, the vehicle outside factory parameters should be responded to with a blend of positive brochure commentary on the benefits of the factory specifications, and undertones of patronisation. If in any doubt as to the response of an unmoderated question, refer to requisite brochure material. Future Products - Apply the requisite response, in accordance with our lack of actual product development to report on. 
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