Holden seem to have done well with their new v6.

[Falcman0o7]

Originally Posted by Windsor220

Holden didnt design the thing. Its a GM motor. Holden just got the gig of assembling it.

Holden doesn't design anything. They just make out they are the ALL NEW TOP OF THE LINE BULLSH IT ARTISTS :

[dave289]

Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

Holden doesn't design anything. They just make out they are the ALL NEW TOP OF THE LINE BULLSH IT ARTISTS :

Well we know they are number 1 at something then. Is that your missus in your avatar falcman, she is a glamour.

[Falcman0o7]

Originally Posted by dave289

Well we know they are number 1 at something then. Is that your missus in your avatar falcman, she is a glamour.

LOL! Geezuz one would hope not! he does look familiar to a bloke i work with thoe!

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

That's what I hate so much about the current Holden ads - 90% of normal people will walk away thinking that this is Aussie technology in an Aussie car and I'm SICK to death of people telling me that the Commodore is all Aussie, whereas the Falcon is just an American Ford. It's just a GM motor assembled here (or a Mexican built GM V8), GM transmission and the Commodore itself was specifically designed to dimensions that would suit the US market from the get go - Holden actually admitted this. I also believe something like 46% or 47% of Commodore components are sourced from Asia.

I know alot of people frown upon aggressive marketing tactics, but Ford or any other manufacturer could completely destroy Holden's fake Aussie image by 'informing' the public of simple facts. Ever wondered how much Holden sells alone based on people thinking they are buying Aussie product? A neighbour of mine thought they had bought an Australian car when they picked up their Barina... I didn't have the heart to tell them where it really comes from.

The trouble is, even if we do tell them, they wouldnt believe us. Or they do believe us but won't admit it because theyre clinging desperately to the last threads of the Holden-Australia ideology.

Football, meat pies, kangaroos and holden cars anyone...?

[Eu-GenixX]

lets all chip in and start our own ad campaign that brings out the truth about certain Australianistic claims...

[gtxb67]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

Football, meat pies, kangaroos and holden cars anyone...?

even that was pinched from some other country
the original goes something like
Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet, They Go Together in the Good ‘Ole USA…

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

even that was pinched from some other country
the original goes something like
Baseball, Hot Dogs, Apple Pie and Chevrolet, They Go Together in the Good ‘Ole USA…

That's correct mate, i just couldnt think of how it went. I knew it was apple pie and chevrolet. It all just proves us Ford boys' point

[tezxr8man]

HEY doesnt SIDI stand for Spark Ignition Direct Injection?
Does that mean i have a Spark ignition Port Injection AU falcon or an XY has spark Ignition 2?

[svo supporter]

The problem with the parts for cars, especially Holdens and possibly Fords, is they've got to source them from O/S, otherwise the car companies will fold.

I know of 3 or 4 companies that went under because they couldn't compete with O/S companies and their supply costs.

At the end of the day, Australian car companies want to stay afloat and they don't care if they destroy small Aust businesses in the process, by getting cheap O/S supplied components.

[jweb]

Originally Posted by Adrenaline

That's what I hate so much about the current Holden ads - 90% of normal people will walk away thinking that this is Aussie technology in an Aussie car and I'm SICK to death of people telling me that the Commodore is all Aussie, whereas the Falcon is just an American Ford. It's just a GM motor assembled here (or a Mexican built GM V8), GM transmission and the Commodore itself was specifically designed to dimensions that would suit the US market from the get go - Holden actually admitted this. I also believe something like 46% or 47% of Commodore components are sourced from Asia.

I know alot of people frown upon aggressive marketing tactics, but Ford or any other manufacturer could completely destroy Holden's fake Aussie image by 'informing' the public of simple facts. Ever wondered how much Holden sells alone based on people thinking they are buying Aussie product? A neighbour of mine thought they had bought an Australian car when they picked up their Barina... I didn't have the heart to tell them where it really comes from.

A few thoughts from a marketer.It is highly unlikely that the final purchase decision is made based on where the car is built or designed.This will however influence Consumers perceptions of the Car and the Brand.Research shows it is an antecedent,however is not the prime antecedent. Ford discrediting Holden's advertising could have a detrimental effect on Ford,not to mention if not done correctly would get Ford in Legal trouble.Also Knowing Ford's calibre of marketing would not be effective,however they have improved this year.Holdens brand association with Australia,has been created for so long,and as such is very strong,as such initial advertising saying otherwise would be disregarded by consumers.

It annoys me so much that Holden is perceived as being Australian,numerous Australian Research papers have found that Holden is generally named when consumers are asked to name what comes to mind when they think "Australia".

Simple fact,Holden's brand image in Australia is much stronger than Fords.As such Ford can make their car's as great as they like,however it will be some time until this translates to a strong "positive"brand image.Testament to Fords lack of brand identification in Consumers mind,is the fact that they have needed to change their slogan.Who?Ford of course v :

[greenfoam]

Don't go on a campaign about dissing Holden, You would be suprised how nasty the die hard Ford fans can come across and make you not want to be part of that culture. It's bad enough allready. All Ford need to do it advertise in the true sense of the word, they don't know how to do it, that's their one and only problem, allways has been. There's some knob on youtube that spends all his days and nights posting crap on every video with a Commodore in it, I swear someones going to stab him one day :p. All his videos are about the earlier Commodore beign Opels, woooo revalation :P. He however doesn't seem to notice that the most famous of all "Australian" Falcons, the XR-Y are for all intent 100% American and are still driving around all over Mexico right now. The point is, after he's spent all his life ****ing off people do you think they will ever buy a Ford?. No: )

[jweb]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

Don't go on a campaign about dissing Holden, You would be suprised how nasty the die hard Ford fans can come across and make you not want to be part of that culture. It's bad enough allready. All Ford need to do it advertise in the true sense of the word, they don't know how to do it, that's their one and only problem, allways has been. There's some knob on youtube that spends all his days and nights posting crap on every video with a Commodore in it, I swear someones going to stab him one day :p. All his videos are about the earlier Commodore beign Opels, woooo revalation :P. He however doesn't seem to notice that the most famous of all "Australian" Falcons, the XR-Y are for all intent 100% American and are still driving around all over Mexico right now. The point is, after he's spent all his life ****ing off people do you think they will ever buy a Ford?. No: )

You would be suprised how nasty the die hard Holden fans come across and makes you not want to be part of that culture.Both sides suffer from this same problem,so its not fair to pinpoint one side.Bringing down Holden,I agree would not be the best advertising,unless they could do it in a truthful,honest motif.

[xy500]

Originally Posted by greenfoam

He however doesn't seem to notice that the most famous of all "Australian" Falcons, the XR-Y are for all intent 100% American and are still driving around all over Mexico right now. The point is, after he's spent all his life ****ing off people do you think they will ever buy a Ford?. No: )

XR-XY's are nothing near 100% american, especially as the models go on. What american car looks even remotely like an XY? the 250 was an australian only affair too...

[Bud Bud]

Originally Posted by xy500

XR-XY's are nothing near 100% american, especially as the models go on. What american car looks even remotely like an XY? the 250 was an australian only affair too...

While technically you are correct XY 500, I would have thought that with your avatar, you would have been perhaps a little more receptive to the original posters point!

I supose you are right this XR has 2 doors!

But even blind Freddy can see something remotly like an XY here.

My understanding is that Ford ceased production of the Falcon in the US because of declining sales in the late 60’s, leaving Ford Aus to continue the Falcon legacy here, (actually my fav is the Aussie XB) and I for one would not try to deny the Ford Falcons its origins though.

Originally Posted by Scotty85

That's correct mate, i just couldnt think of how it went. I knew it was apple pie and chevrolet. It all just proves us Ford boys' point

Scotty85, when I see your avatar, I can't see why you would be so worried either.

Why can't we just be proud of our heritage instead of getting in to a tizzy every time Holden is mentioned? This is not to have a go at anyone here but lately the negativity on this forum is just getting me down.

[burnz]

Originally Posted by xy500

XR-XY's are nothing near 100% american, especially as the models go on. What american car looks even remotely like an XY? the 250 was an australian only affair too...

all falcon were canadian imports till 1960 XK first oz made falcon.
allthou correct from 1960 -1970 the falcon was an american design.
the first oz design falcon was XA.

[EgoFG]

Originally Posted by dave289

Was reading a comparison the other day between the sv6 and xr6.The ve 2 has now bumped power up to 210 kw and are now quiker than the naturally aspirated ford 6, not only this but it is also more economical(only slightly but far from their claims). Holden have not had a quicker naturally aspirated six over fords for many years now .while I have not driven ve2 I have driven ve1 six's and they were a shocker both in harshness and also in there lack of power and smothness over the ford 6. It would appear, according to the article that the new ve is now smoother than the ford 6(something I find hard to believe after driving ve 1) but if so would be good news for holden six drivers as the ford has had this department sorted for years now .In a way I guess its well overdue that holden seem to have a decent 6 cause the last one was way below world standards or even local standards for that matter. anyoneone driven the ve2 in six cylinder and what did you think? While I,m on the ve2, apparantly the ve1 to ve2 upgrade was a multi million dollar exercise ,which is a big spend from a series 1 to a series 2 especially since the ve 1 was an expensive an also new upgrade over vz .

Agreed (somewhat)

Holden: Welcome to the 20th Century !!

[eb2fairmont]

Originally Posted by burnz

all falcon were canadian imports till 1960 XK first oz made falcon.
allthou correct from 1960 -1970 the falcon was an american design.
the first oz design falcon was XA.

The 1960 XK was all American - made here. More local content and testing up until the 1965 XP (which had the 1960 Mercury comet nose).

The 1966 XR was a re-engineered american design similar to the 1978 commodore in concept. Facelifts originated out of Ford canada, as FoA did not have a design studio.

The 1972 Xa was australian designed in ford's american studios, but built on reengineered xr underpinnings.

[Chopped]

I thought the Aurion was the traffic light king ?!
(not as fat as the Ford & GM locals)

[SSD-85]

Originally Posted by Bud Bud

Scotty85, when I see your avatar, I can't see why you would be so worried either.
Why can't we just be proud of our heritage instead of getting in to a tizzy every time Holden is mentioned? This is not to have a go at anyone here but lately the negativity on this forum is just getting me down.

My avatar really has nothing to do with this thread. I'm born and bred Australian. My avatar simply shows my acceptance of Ford's origins.
So yes it does concern me when Holden continually churn out what, in all realism, are lies. Now that is something Australia has nothing to be proud of...

Ford Australia know that people think they're an American brand. But they still sell vehicles designed and built by Australians for Australians. And they don't need to lie through their teeth to do it. Now that IS something to be proud of.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

What is happening in April that will be so different to what we have now?

As mentioned FG will need to conform to Euro4. Seeing as it already is very close to Euro4 - in fact, even 5 was a walk in the park - and that there's something brewing, I can only guess next year's I6 will be very hard for consumers to look past. Look out for a bog stock smokin' I6!

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

As mentioned FG will need to conform to Euro4. Seeing as it already is very close to Euro4 - in fact, even 5 was a walk in the park - and that there's something brewing, I can only guess next year's I6 will be very hard for consumers to look past. Look out for a bog stock smokin' I6!

I know what the Euro 4 thing... It is the "Look out for a bog stock smokin' I6" part that gets my attention... This is the part I'm trying to figure out!!

[naddis01]

Can anyone tell me why on the Holden website, they do not quote the urban and extra urban (highway) fuel consumption? Or does anyone know what they are? They only quote the combined figure.

[Falc'man]

Originally Posted by Joe5619

I know what the Euro 4 thing... It is the "Look out for a bog stock smokin' I6" part that gets my attention... This is the part I'm trying to figure out!!

It means in stock form it will smoke any would be competitor.

[Ryan]

Originally Posted by Scotty85

My avatar really has nothing to do with this thread. I'm born and bred Australian. My avatar simply shows my acceptance of Ford's origins.
So yes it does concern me when Holden continually churn out what, in all realism, are lies. Now that is something Australia has nothing to be proud of...

Ford Australia know that people think they're an American brand. But they still sell vehicles designed and built by Australians for Australians. And they don't need to lie through their teeth to do it. Now that IS something to be proud of.

To be honest I don't think Holden necessarily lie. Remember Holden's origins go way back even before the dawn of the car. They were a saddlery company in South Australia during the 1850s.

[snappy]

Originally Posted by Ryan

To be honest I don't think Holden necessarily lie. Remember Holden's origins go way back even before the dawn of the car. They were a saddlery company in South Australia during the 1850s.

Then coach builders , An were employed by henry ford to build model T bodies .
oh the were also fired by henry ford for poor quality.

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by snappy84

Then coach builders , An were employed by henry ford to build model T bodies .
oh the were also fired by henry ford for poor quality.

Seems they didn't learn a thing!!

[Joe5619]

Originally Posted by Falc'man

It means in stock form it will smoke any would be competitor.

Yes, yes, but when you say things like "even 5 WAS a walk in the park" (i.e. past tents) & "that there's something brewing" I start to think "what are Ford are up too!!! "

[R-Design]

Originally Posted by naddis01

Can anyone tell me why on the Holden website, they do not quote the urban and extra urban (highway) fuel consumption? Or does anyone know what they are? They only quote the combined figure.

If you haven't found it already, The Green Vehicle Guide has all the information you're after:

Omega Consumption Link

[TUF_302]

The SV6 and XR6 are more the low-po cars of each brand these days, if you want the best performer you go out and get an XR6T or if your really serious you get a F6, which we all know eats everything it see's alive! :

[xbgs351]

Originally Posted by PoweredByCNG

Power sells cars, torque wins races.

'Nuff said.

Regards,
Dave

What kind of races? Tractor pulls?