BTR 4 speed Auto .. things that can be done - Page 2

LUXO_8 · 27-08-2006, 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

yeah but try find a N/A I6 that pushes out 300rwkw! if i went the turbo path i would definatly keep the auto but N/A it just isn't practical.

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Originally Posted by BENT_8

Good point.... but neither me, nor the original thread starter was talking 300+kw.

so obciously the guy wont have to spend the 2k on strengthening the auto...

the 2k box was mentioned as a good strong gearbox with a stall for handling power......

he should be able to get a propper shift kit like whats in my trans now for the 400 mark fitted, that alone prolongs the life of the transmission due to less heat buildup through the shifts..

kyro_02 · 27-08-2006, 10:27 PM

madnc_8 so was that about $400 take box out installed shiftkit & put box back in, or did you just supply a box already out ?

brenx · 27-08-2006, 10:28 PM

Even in stock form the BTR isn't that bad. they aren't great but they aren't that bad. My BTR has 230,000k's on it and it has been service twice. Once @ 110,000k's and the 2nd time a few weeks ago @ 230,000k's. If the trans in my EL goes? It'll get a lower k option from an AU if available. At this stage it's very slightly flaring into 3rd @ random times. I still think I'll get no less than 250,000k's out of it. It'll probably still be going @ 300,000k's. Don't thrash them and they last. If you want a trans for thrashing? Build it to handle it.

EB Pete · 27-08-2006, 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

so obciously the guy wont have to spend the 2k on strengthening the auto...

the 2k box was mentioned as a good strong gearbox with a stall for handling power......

he should be able to get a propper shift kit like whats in my trans now for the 400 mark fitted, that alone prolongs the life of the transmission due to less heat buildup through the shifts..

sorry mate i wasn't haveing a go at you. i was just putting by 2 bobs worth out there and letting him know what i would do if i had my time again.

pete j

LUXO_8 · 27-08-2006, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

madnc_8 so was that about $400 take box out installed shiftkit & put box back in, or did you just supply a box already out ?

nope....they put the car on a hoist, removed the pan cover and did it that way
i had it done at DTM race transmissions here in geelong..

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Originally Posted by EB Pete

sorry mate i wasn't haveing a go at you. i was just putting by 2 bobs worth out there and letting him know what i would do if i had my time again.

hey man, dont stress

EB Pete · 27-08-2006, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

madnc_8 so was that about $400 take box out installed shiftkit & put box back in, or did you just supply a box already out ?

if the 'shiftkit' i'm thinking about is what madnc_8 got you don't need to take the auto out. actually you don't have to take it out if you go either mechanical/electronic. from what i have heard the mechanical shift kit is the best to do which involves taking the valve body out and opening up the oil jackets so the hydraulic side of the shift happens quicker inturn reducing the slip of the bands which will make the box last longer.

please correct me if i'm wrong. also my auto is sorta up for sale if someone offers the right price.

pete j

kyro_02 · 27-08-2006, 10:36 PM

ohhh lol thats even better

LUXO_8 · 27-08-2006, 10:37 PM

yeah mine has the modded valvebody as well as other stuff that i dont know about...... the electronic shiftkits are actually not too great for the trans...all they do is up line preasure

kyro_02 · 27-08-2006, 10:39 PM

so i'm assuming they can also put stronger bands in the auto without taking it out yeah?

LUXO_8 · 27-08-2006, 10:40 PM

why? you're not going to stuff them without big power

kyro_02 · 27-08-2006, 10:43 PM

i know i'm just asking ... as i said in my previous post(s) .. even though i'm not pulling anywhere near enough power.. it's always good to have a strong box :P

LUXO_8 · 27-08-2006, 10:47 PM

just trying to save you from spending money you dont need to spend...
why not put some cash asside and wait till your bands die and go from there *(i doubt you'l be needing to change them though)

NB...it'll be cheaper for oyu to swap in another seccond hand good conditon trans than it will be to replace bands / clutches / etc........ its really throwing money away for a stocker

Psycho Chicken · 27-08-2006, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

cause other then pulling the box apart there isn't much labour.. compared to pulling it out of a car and putting it back in...

Are you serious? Ever pulled an auto apart and put it back together?

Yes a shift kit will be cheap on labour (wouldn't even need the box out), but that's about it.

EB Pete · 27-08-2006, 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

yeah mine has the modded valvebody as well as other stuff that i dont know about...... the electronic shiftkits are actually not too great for the trans...all they do is up line preasure

the electronic shift kit would decrease the shift time after the valve body has been worked on. so in my opinion they would be a good mod after the valve body.

kyro_02 · 27-08-2006, 10:51 PM

yeah fair enough , i can't see the bands dieing either

i am goin to look around for a suitable price i can get a shiftkit installed for. so i can get it done in a week or two. .. then the histall afterwards, then i will fit it and hope to god it doesn't F*** up :P

thanks for the replies peoples much appreciated

kyro_02 · 27-08-2006, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Chicken

Are you serious? Ever pulled an auto apart and put it back together?

Yes a shift kit will be cheap on labour (wouldn't even need the box out), but that's about it.

wouldn't take much time for someone who knows what they're doing, i'd say

EB Pete · 27-08-2006, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

yeah fair enough , i can't see the bands dieing either

i am goin to look around for a suitable price i can get a shiftkit installed for. so i can get it done in a week or two. .. then the histall afterwards, then i will fit it and hope to god it doesn't F*** up :P

thanks for the replies peoples much appreciated

also when you get the quote ask to get an AU S5 soliniod installed as these can be wound up to get a firmer shift.

Psycho Chicken · 27-08-2006, 11:04 PM

Knowing what your doing has very little to do with it. Still takes an **** load of time to pull it right down and put it back together.

As for your dig at me, I know what I'm doing.

The electronic shift kits are rubbish. They made me run slower down the quarter. Sure they made the tyres chirp, but who cares. I literally ripped the kit out while waiting in line between runs and ran .5 faster. Yes that seems rediculous in a fairly stock I6, but there were at least 3 forum members there who will back me up.

The AU S5 solenoid is adjustable so you can toy with the line pressure. IMO the only way to do a shift kit is do the valve body/S5 solenoid. None of this resistor rubbish.

And yes you need the box apart to change bands. Not that you'd need to.

Christiaan · 27-08-2006, 11:54 PM

.. and no, you can't change bands with the box in the car.

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Christiaan · 28-08-2006, 12:09 AM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

wouldn't take much time for someone who knows what they're doing, i'd say

Wanna bet? I'll post up a picture of what the inside of a BTR electronic auto looks like inside tomorrow. You'll be amazed.. Most likely.

RMCprime · 28-08-2006, 01:28 AM

what do you all think of this shift kit mod from the ford mods site
http://www.fordmods.com/forums/viewt...light=shiftkit

here is the diagram
http://ez-files.net/download.php?file=7a56b8f6

EFFalcon · 28-08-2006, 01:31 AM

RPD (Details are on Fordmods) are doing plug and play shift kits for EA-EF.
they plug in where the gearbox loom meets the ecu loom (near back of manifold)
they're not very expensive either.
pretty much the easiest and most inexpensive shift kit you'll get.

RMCprime · 28-08-2006, 01:38 AM

so are they worth it? Coz ive got everything accept the the pot so i can hoook it up in like 2 min

BOOSTDEF · 28-08-2006, 09:54 AM

Without resistor shift kit i ran 13.7-13.8

With resistor shift kit i ran 13.5

With a lot of traction and 245rwkw , the auto without the shift kit slipped a lot. Turned the shift kit on and felt very strong.

Stock auto with a stally btw...

tjb45 · 28-08-2006, 10:28 PM

I've had two BTR autos fail on me now. The first had a bit over 600,000k's on it (ex taxi) and the second is now starting to slip badly. Keep in mind this second auto had over 270,000 ks on it, and with the last 20,000ks it’s had 260rwkw put through it.
Given my experience the BRT autos are very strong, and with a NA 6 cylinder setup I wouldn't waste my money on the auto.

Perana · 29-08-2006, 11:51 AM

Forget resistor shift kits.. they are rubbish and WILL cause the box to fail much faster. If you want a shift kit get it done properly with an adjustable S5 and valve body mods.

Before you do ANYTHING though put a BIG trans cooler on it.. Heat kills BTR's very quickly

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

wouldn't take much time for someone who knows what they're doing, i'd say

hahahah having seen a few of them being rebuilt they take AGES, and are not something that is just slapped together.

kyro_02 · 29-08-2006, 03:48 PM

'n where can i get one of these bigger trans coolers from

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shuresm58:
Wanna bet? I'll post up a picture of what the inside of a BTR electronic auto looks like inside tomorrow. You'll be amazed.. Most likely.

you got the pic?

now let me rephrase what I said....

Ok, it wouldn't take as long for someone who know's what they're doing to pull apart a gearbox and put it back together... as apposed to someone who knows nothing about gearbox's. Like myself... Hence the reason I even started this thread

Christiaan · 29-08-2006, 04:46 PM

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Originally Posted by kyro_02

'n where can i get one of these bigger trans coolers from

you got the pic?

now let me rephrase what I said....

Ok, it wouldn't take as long for someone who know's what they're doing to pull apart a gearbox and put it back together... as apposed to someone who knows nothing about gearbox's. Like myself... Hence the reason I even started this thread

but you wouldn't be rebuilding a gearbox. It's like you walking to sydney. You can walk, and you know where sydney is, but it'd still take you a while, yes? Even if you ran?

BOOSTDEF · 29-08-2006, 05:03 PM

Mate seriously, give it a go. Your only gonna learn something. If its a spare why not??

Dont listen to negativity mate, wont get you far. ;)

kyro_02 · 29-08-2006, 05:08 PM

yeah i'd give it ago...but... the box has like 110K's on it.. an if i screw it up i'd be ****ed, i might practice on a dead box out the back and see how i go, i suppose :P