with ford closing gutted we don,t have aussie 4x4 - Page 2

Franco Cozzo · 01-04-2015, 08:48 PM

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Originally Posted by SumoDog68

Mazda hasn't got on board with small displacement forced induction yet and is doing ok in Australia. Small modern turbo engines are not that economical in real life , you pay for for performance in fuel , regardless of engine configuration .

Mazda offers a decent sized 4 cylinder engine though (2.5L) in the SP25 variants which aren't that expensive.

XR Martin · 01-04-2015, 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Seeing as how underneath they're just a Prado it was very odd, but being built in the USA, it makes sense...Yanks think diesel is "semi trailer and train fuel" and still have a marked aversion to diesel powered passenger vehicles.

They are built in Japan, not USA

Road_Warrior · 01-04-2015, 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by XR6 Martin

They are built in Japan, not USA

Pretty sure the FJ Cruiser is built in the US along with the Kluger.

XR Martin · 01-04-2015, 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Pretty sure the FJ Cruiser is built in the US along with the Kluger.

Built by Hino in Japan

SumoDog68 · 02-04-2015, 12:24 AM

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Originally Posted by 1TUFFUTE

Are you talking about 4x4s or Mazda 3s.
I was more talking about how ford has developed world class ECO boost engines that cover EVERY vehicle class.....whether it's the multi world engine of the year, little 1l Eco boost or the ones that are now making even v8s in raptors null invoid.(however that said lol)

According to Car and Driver V8 is still the way to go , I tend to agree.

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...et-cred-page-2

2011G6E · 02-04-2015, 06:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Road_Warrior

Pretty sure the FJ Cruiser is built in the US along with the Kluger.

I may have misunderstood (I too am pretty sure it's US built) but if not it's primarily "built for the US market". The dead giveaway for this fact is the rear door on the FJ which opens from the right hand side towards the kerb here in Australia (it's hinged on the left) instead of being hinged on the right to swing away from the kerb like other vehicles built for our market with a big rear door.

Falcon_Crazy · 02-04-2015, 06:45 AM

?????

You can't get more Aussie than the Australian designed and engineered PX Ford Ranger - sold in over 180 countries...read every article about how it SLAMS Toyota..the most recent review on caradvice.com.au summed it up perfectly.

And then there will be the Ranger based Everest...Im sad to see the tezza go, but end of day, what is going to be available, with soooooo much Aussie input - wont be made here, but it was born here.

new2ford · 02-04-2015, 09:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Falcon_Crazy

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You can't get more Aussie than the Australian designed and engineered PX Ford Ranger - sold in over 180 countries...read every article about how it SLAMS Toyota..the most recent review on caradvice.com.au summed it up perfectly.
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http://www.caradvice.com.au/342993/f...arison-review/

The comments following the review tell you something - no matter how poorly designed and primitive they are, people buy Toyotas because they're Toyotas. It's hard to get past that in marketing. (It also means that Toyota doesn't have to try very hard and it shows.)

The only thing Ford can do to knock that off is make theirs super reliable, prove that reliability over many years and then win public perception of that reliability. That's a marketing mountain to climb.

2011G6E · 02-04-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by new2ford

http://www.caradvice.com.au/342993/f...arison-review/

The comments following the review tell you something - no matter how poorly designed and primitive they are, people buy Toyotas because they're Toyotas. It's hard to get past that in marketing. (It also means that Toyota doesn't have to try very hard and it shows.)

The only thing Ford can do to knock that off is make theirs super reliable, prove that reliability over many years and then win public perception of that reliability. That's a marketing mountain to climb.

Not to mention "The Toyota Tax"...you pay staggeringly huge amounts for a car that yes, is good, but no better than some rivals which sell for a hell of a lot less. Look at how many Tritons are around compared to Hiluxes these days...

Oh, and the dinki-di, "can't get more Aussie" Ford Ranger?

Where's it built again...?

Itsme · 02-04-2015, 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Not to mention "The Toyota Tax"...you pay staggeringly huge amounts for a car that yes, is good, but no better than some rivals which sell for a hell of a lot less. Look at how many Tritons are around compared to Hiluxes these days...

Oh, and the dinki-di, "can't get more Aussie" Ford Ranger?

Where's it built again...?

Honestly comparing Toyota Hilux to Mitsubushi Triton is chalk & cheese.

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Oh, and the dinki-di, "can't get more Aussie" Ford Ranger?

Where's it built again...?

In this day & age, it will be the closest dinki-di we will ever have compared to the competition, a great vehicle!

2011G6E · 02-04-2015, 05:38 PM

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Honestly comparing Toyota Hilux to Mitsubushi Triton is chalk & cheese.

In this day & age, it will be the closest dinki-di we will ever have compared to the competition, a great vehicle!

Oh I agree...now if anyone can solve the mystery as to why a car built in those low-wage countries costs so damn much here...especially in popular twin-cab/diesel/auto form...then people would most likely buy a lot more of them...

Itsme · 02-04-2015, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Oh I agree...now if anyone can solve the mystery as to why a car built in those low-wage countries costs so damn much here...especially in popular twin-cab/diesel/auto form...then people would most likely buy a lot more of them...

Agree with ford being damn greedy on the pricing of the Ranger compared to its ugly sister BT50 but honestly the sales of the Ranger is rising steadily due to its popularity.

I certainly recommend the Ranger & BT50 any day.

Franco Cozzo · 02-04-2015, 06:26 PM

What disappoints me with the Ranger is there doesn't seem to be many places to put switches etc for aftermarket accessories, we've done aftermarket accessories on heaps now and you quickly start running out of good places to put switches.

Where as the others seem to have blank spaces around to put them all.

Seems like they forgot about that issue.

2011G6E · 02-04-2015, 06:27 PM

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Originally Posted by trublu

Agree with ford being damn greedy on the pricing of the Ranger compared to its ugly sister BT50 but honestly the sales of the Ranger is rising steadily due to its popularity.

I certainly recommend the Ranger & BT50 any day.

I think to make it more palatable they should probably price it like that then show the public the Ranger alongside the BT50...and point to the BT50 and say "Hey, the Ranger might cost a lot more even though it's basically the same vehicle as the BT50...but at least it doesn't look like that monstrosity, so isn't it worth it...?"

Itsme · 02-04-2015, 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

What disappoints me with the Ranger is there doesn't seem to be many places to put switches etc for aftermarket accessories, we've done aftermarket accessories on heaps now and you quickly start running out of good places to put switches.

Where as the others seem to have blank spaces around to put them all.

Seems like they forgot about that issue.

Not just the Ranger but most current model cars fall in this category, not just with switches but you can't even put in aftermarket head units.

1TUFFUTE · 03-04-2015, 12:39 AM

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Originally Posted by 2011G6E

Oh I agree...now if anyone can solve the mystery as to why a car built in those low-wage countries costs so damn much here...especially in popular twin-cab/diesel/auto form...then people would most likely buy a lot more of them...

Ford has always tended not to let its class leading models sell for the same price as all the other rubbish out there. The ranger is the world ute of the year at least a couple of times allready. You get what you pay for and as in fords case....it's been covered soooo many times.....they have class leading models in nearly every segment......so why would you lowwer your prices to the cheaper built cars? You loose what little self imposed prestige each model owns.

That's how I see it anyhow!

danzvtil · 03-04-2015, 10:11 AM

In case anyone hasn't worked out how the free market operates, the cost to make ranger in Thailand has nothing to do with how much it is sold for in Australia. Ford will charge for it whatever aussies are willing to pay. And while it remains an above average offer, it will get an above average price(when compared to triton).