Demise of the car key.

[Sprintey]

Cool, so I'll just put my smartphone in my wetsuit when having a surf.





The real electric solution gents, is to take a classic, like an XW shell - rig it with battery and electric driveline and get an 'electric car'.

It will have absolutely none of all the big-brother connectivity rubbish, cost FA to run, and all the other electric cars can let their sensors and computers worry about where you are and how you are varying your speed. And, this type of electric car will have a nice, stainless steel key that goes in a wetsuit.

[Sprintey]

saw this warned about in 2002 in big telco company:

https://www.drsamrobbins.com/cancer/...cancer-part-1/

more recently:

https://www.applegazette.com/apple-w...ch-skin-burns/

[Sprintey]

In praise of the dumb phone:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/men/thin...umb-old-nokia/

https://thehustle.co/why-going-back-...cessful-person

All the hippest youngsters (Gen Z) are going for a dumb phone as they advance their careers



Dumb phones are coming back and it's a trend:

https://dopetechthoughts.com/why-are...ng-a-comeback/

[stig_3754]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

A few months ago I managed to leave my phone in my jeans and dumped them in the wash . About an hour later ...OH S..T....when I couldn't find it . When I walked in I recovered it from the laundry .It was cactus including the SIM .Imagine how ****ed off I'd have been if it was a smartphone required to access the car eh...Mind you Ford quoted me $360 for a third flip key for my XR6 in case I ever manage to lose one of the two originals because I had only one key for my BA Fairmont for a time and it made me nervous but i guess if I'd shopped around I could have got it a bit cheaper .
I suppose this keyless stuff is just how things are heading guys so I reckon we just have to accept it .

A few years ago I lost the key to my XR5 while I was going for a run. It fell out of my pocket and was never found. Over $400 later and I got my key replaced. If the car supported entry/start with my phone then that would never have happened (my phone was also with me during this run). It works both ways. Keys can be lost as can your phone and you're in just as much trouble as a result. This is the future, we can already use our phones to tap and go to pay instead of a physical card. You can even buy 'smart locks' for your home and unlock the door with your phone. It's only a matter of time before this is the norm for our cars.

[lra]

OK, so in the near future we will need a smartphone (or whatever) to start our cars, unlock house doors, turn on lights, and everything will be wonderfully easy and electronically voice activated, just like the Jetsons.
So, I am a dinosaur. Because I cannot see how more complicated, complex and expensive thingums are really needed to do the same job as a metal key, an index finger and a rocker switch on a wall, nor will I ever be convinced.

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

The locks were made by Valeo; their problem of “iffy” engagement and endless spinning was not limited to the Tibbe keys. Cruciform locks from Valeo in the same era were blighted equally.

Coming up soon, a bricklaying trowel that detects operator fatigue by measuring changes in grip strength and velocity vectors. It sends a message to the principal contractor with the operator’s location, advising of a fatigued employee (thus meeting OH&S objective statements). It also pulses the handle with its inbuilt vibrating alert to warn the operator of increased risk allied to fatigue, switches on their smartphone to play de-stressing music and instructional video of yoga for tradespeople.

Mate, when you perfect this amazingly innovative product could you also look into some type of strain gauge monitor on the elastic in plumbers shorts? The “plumbers crack warning” could alert nearby women , children and pretty well everyone to an impending “crack out alert”. It could be available via an app for a small fee of course. We could also employ SMEs (subject matter experts) to refine the levels of warnings!

[Franco Cozzo]

Originally Posted by XByoot

Mate, when you perfect this amazingly innovative product could you also look into some type of strain gauge monitor on the elastic in plumbers shorts? The “plumbers crack warning” could alert nearby women , children and pretty well everyone to an impending “crack out alert”. It could be available via an app for a small fee of course. We could also employ SMEs (subject matter experts) to refine the levels of warnings!

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Cool, so I'll just put my smartphone in my wetsuit when having a surf.

I actually sort of want a JLR car every summer so I can get the activity key.

I'm surprised no other manufacture has this yet unless it's a huge failure and everyone else has learned from JLR

[arronm]

Some one tell me without an actual key. How do i get into the vehicle when the car battery goes flat ?? At the moment i open the car manually with the key from the drivers side

[Citroënbender]

You’d hope to have a supply connector accessible...

[XByoot]

Originally Posted by Citroënbender

You’d hope to have a supply connector accessible...

Way too simple and won’t happen.

Option 1....
Firstly you won’t have a flat battery , it will be a LVPM (low voltage protection monitor) it will lock you out so you don’t harm the rest of the fragile electronics fitted by doing something silly like actually using your car. You will have to call a specialist or a subject matter expert to evaluate the situation, likely safer to tow the vehicle to the specialist workshop for further troubleshooting and monitoring. After a comprehensive analysis they will replace the battery (which is likely OK but not according to the monitor) . The specialist may well also need do a complete diagnosis to confirm no further damage. Then you sell your left precious parts on EBay to pay for the service. Simple right?

Option 2....
Apply the Arronm method and use a house brick

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by arronm

Some one tell me without an actual key. How do i get into the vehicle when the car battery goes flat ?? At the moment i open the car manually with the key from the drivers side

Almost all Remote Keyless fobs/cards will have a back up blade key inside the cover somewhere.
If your car battery or keycard battery is dead you just use the blade key to get access as you would in a car with a key for ignition and doors. Finding the key barrel on modern cars can be a bit of a challenge as some are covered up in the door handle somewhere for aesthetics.

[Sprintey]

Originally Posted by Ben73

I actually sort of want a JLR car every summer so I can get the activity key.

I'm surprised no other manufacture has this yet unless it's a huge failure and everyone else has learned from JLR

Yep JLR's activity key is a great idea. I do yearn a bit for one when I think of this feature.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Bluey-GT

Almost all Remote Keyless fobs/cards will have a back up blade key inside the cover somewhere.
If your car battery or keycard battery is dead you just use the blade key to get access as you would in a car with a key for ignition and doors. Finding the key barrel on modern cars can be a bit of a challenge as some are covered up in the door handle somewhere for aesthetics.

Yep, both mine have this... The Commodore its a slot in the center console to slide the key in, as for the Jeep I haven't found it BUT the dealer did say that even with a flat battery if I hold the fob hard against the Start Button it will work.. Havent needed to worry about it yet..

As for battery life.. Still on original battery for both (Redine will be 2 years old next Month, Jeep we have had for 3.5 years).

[Whitey-AMG]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Yep, both mine have this... The Commodore its a slot in the center console to slide the key in, as for the Jeep I haven't found it BUT the dealer did say that even with a flat battery if I hold the fob hard against the Start Button it will work.. Havent needed to worry about it yet..

As for battery life.. Still on original battery for both (Redine will be 2 years old next Month, Jeep we have had for 3.5 years).

Yep
Our Renault Megane GT is same. Key slot under door handle only visible if you look under handle. If fob battery is dead, it uses close proximity RFID for recognition so you just stick the FOB hard against the start button , push starter and off you go.....

[Crazy Dazz]

Seems like my HK Holden was ahead of it's time.

I didn't need a Key to enter or start that either.

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Seems like my HK Holden was ahead of it's time.

I didn't need a Key to enter or start that either.

Coat hanger wire ? or was it a screwdriver ? entry/start.

[XByoot]

The old auto trans dipstick wasn’t a bad option either!

[Sprintey]

Wasn't that a Premium Feature of the XF Falcon?

[roKWiz]

Originally Posted by Sprintey

Wasn't that a Premium Feature of the XF Falcon?

Pallet packing tape. Assuming the door handles don't break first.

[Burnout]

I was an NT Publician in an earlier life.
One morning early and ol bloke came into the shop from the bowsers, where his VE Valiant was parked & he asked me for a tin of Hamper Corned Beef, which I sold him. He stripped the key off the bottom of the can handed me the full tin and headed for the car. I followed him out there thinking he wanted fuel. I asked him where he was headed, he said Darwin, go $5 worth of Super, shoved the Corned Beef key in the ignition and off they went.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Crazy Dazz

Seems like my HK Holden was ahead of it's time.

I didn't need a Key to enter or start that either.

Went to high school with a bloke who got his licence early in grade 12 (like myself) who had an old Corona wagon that you could unlock the doors with anything and start by putting in any key and turning... Was great fun beating him to it after school and either turning it around or moving it to a completely different street near the school...

[Yellow_Festiva]

BMW Digital Key 2.0 works even if your phone's flat 15 NOV 2019

New and improved BMW Digital Key 2.0 has been revealed

BMW has revealed its next-generation digital key technology, which now works when your phone is flat.

The Digital Key 2.0 will be able to lock or unlock the car, start the vehicle remotely, and give family members or friends access to the vehicle using the BMW Connected application.

Should your phone die, the company says it'll still be able to unlock your vehicle using near-field communication (NFC). The BMW Digital Key is currently only compatible with Android phones – even though BMW doesn't support Android Auto in its infotainment system, only Apple CarPlay.

Moving forward, BMW says its next-generation Digital Key will be more secure, based on technology that has been developed with the Car Connectivity Consortium (CCC).

According to the company, the latest ultra-wide-band (UWB 3.0) technology – a low-energy way to transfer data over a very short distance – means owners will eventually be able to leave their phones in their pockets to open the doors, rather than having to hold their device up to the door handles.

Ultra-wide-band communications also minimise the chances of "relay attacks", where thieves duplicate the digital frequency of keyless entry systems to unlock and start cars.

As part of its role with the Car Connectivity Consortium (CCC), BMW has been pushing for standardised security protocols for the automotive industry when it comes to digital and keyless entry systems.

The company says most prominent smartphone manufacturers and carmakers are now a part of the consortium, and global standards are coming.

https://www.drive.com.au/news/bmw-di...=homePageNews1

[Ben73]

Originally Posted by Big_Daz

Went to high school with a bloke who got his licence early in grade 12 (like myself) who had an old Corona wagon that you could unlock the doors with anything and start by putting in any key and turning... Was great fun beating him to it after school and either turning it around or moving it to a completely different street near the school...

Lol that just reminded me of something that happened when I was in year 12. One guy had his friends 'borrow' his car keys without his knowledge, then when lunch time rolled around there was his car parked in the middle of the schools playground. He wasn't happy, but the teachers were even less impressed.

[Big_Daz]

Originally Posted by Ben73

Lol that just reminded me of something that happened when I was in year 12. One guy had his friends 'borrow' his car keys without his knowledge, then when lunch time rolled around there was his car parked in the middle of the schools playground. He wasn't happy, but the teachers were even less impressed.

Nice... he got me back though by getting my keys at a school party and taking all 4 doors and boot off my car (tp magna station wagon) and taking them home... made for an interesting drive home...


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[Citroënbender]

It’s on the tangent issue of “older people vs newer technology”. An ABC local news article about a 93 year old bloke in Newcastle who’d been forcibly upgraded to a smartphone and was keen to learn how to really drive all the useful features in it - but struggled to get assistance as he was starting from absolute ground zero.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-11-...ology/11627020