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Old 22-10-2007, 03:39 PM   #31
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You can see where the early Commodores and Camiras took their styling from.
Well, there was nothing Australian about the design of the first Commodores. The earliest Commodores were heavily based on the Opel Rekord E/Commodore C
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Rekord
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Commodore

The VK update (with the 6 window styling) was based on the more upmarket Opel Senator A
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Senator

If you look down that page, you'll see the basis for the VN, the Opel Senator B.

The VT is based on the Opel Omega B
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opel_Omega
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Old 22-10-2007, 03:55 PM   #32
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Everytime I see someone post up the comparison pics of the Opels vs Holdens, I cringe as i think of all those bogans who truely believe that the Commodore is a fully Australian designed car.
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Old 22-10-2007, 04:37 PM   #33
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That would make it a Holden
Well duh..., same with Vauxhaul etc. GM anyway, not Holden


Im pointing out its not really a concept car, its an existing vehicle albeit in Europe, brought here and modified to run say an L34 308.

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Old 22-10-2007, 04:40 PM   #34
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If you look down that page, you'll see the basis for the VN, the Opel Senator B.
Holden never hid that fact, it was heavily advertised as German engineered when released.

It might have been German designed, I cant recall which, but they didnt hide it anyway.

How the bogans who drive them dont know it is beyond me.
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Old 22-10-2007, 05:05 PM   #35
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Back on topic I believe the car was a BF GT/GTP (I heard rumours that it was a BA mkII from people at the Ford stand, hence why some body panels looked newer than others) that was retrofitted with the Cobra spec stuff. It was obviously an old development mule as it was very scratched in some areas and had yellowed in patches suggesting it had been left out in the sun for years. From the amount of scratches I saw on it I sure as hell wouldnt want it. Interesting to note though that the kms suggested otherwise (had something like 17-30kms).

The F6X and F6R's white paintwork in comparison looked brand new.
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Old 22-10-2007, 05:15 PM   #36
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I didn't get to AIMS but I did have a reasonably close look at the Cobra sedan and ute at Bathurst. No numbered id tags in either. When I asked, the FPV lady said that they were both mock-ups and not part of the 400 / 100 edition runs.
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Old 22-10-2007, 05:49 PM   #37
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[QUOTE=auslandau]No they dont. They are used for show purposes only and thats it. No conspiracy or can of worms.

Yes some do mine was a show car on the East coast.
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Old 22-10-2007, 06:14 PM   #38
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No they dont. They are used for show purposes only and thats it. No conspiracy or can of worms.

Yes some do mine was a show car on the East coast.
That vehicle is a "P" build not a concept or engineering mule. Those are actual compliant vehicles that are made specificly for use as journo testers and motor/trade shows. The "P" is the build number denotes this status. As these are actual compliant vehicles they are sold to the public after they have no further use to FPV.

I suspect there may be at least one "P" type vehicle for the Cobra but other than the paint/decals etc. a Cobra is a GT with R-spec and a different engine.
As the Cobra, like the GT40, is a limited build then the "P" would probably be badged GT only specifically to prevent this situation occuring.
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Would that make my car the first GT with a 6 manual???
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