Petition against changes to Modified Vehicle laws in NSW

[Airmon]

If you want this to have some more impact write a letter to the Minister or call your local member and see what there view is on it.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by geckoGT

Oh yeah, I forgot that the two subjects are so closely related.

Think about it, in this case I refer to people that modify their cars within the law, in the other thread it is management of a high risk group according to previous illegal behaviour, surely even you can see that.

Yes this is the whole point I am trying to make.

Too many times people just jump on a band wagon and slam a group (usually one of which they are not a member).

The night P plate law while being a good idea for some is a bad idea for others, the point of fairness being that a person who works at night is discriminated against over a person who works during the day.

This law will stop a whole range of dangerous unroadworthy death traps from being registered with a small side effect of a few genuine enthusiasts being disadvantaged.

It really hurts more when YOU are the ones affected doesn't it?

We are our own worst enemies. We sit back and pontificate as more and more freedoms are taken just so long as it does not directly affect US then scream all of a sudden when it does.

I would really like someone to explain in terms that a "non car enthusiast" (aka the majority of drivers) would believe how fitting a V8 to an old car originally fitted with a 6 or modifying a 2 year old FPV to 400 rwkw is actually making it safer?

Looks like this time the persecuted minority group is not P platers or 4WD drivers or whomever. Not fun eh......

Maybe some of you will look at the bigger picture next time before joining the lynch mob.

P.S. I think this it is a silly law and have also signed the petition.

[Iggypoppin']

Signing.
What a farce.
Does this mean that, let's say, stock CatConverter dies on someones XR6t, and they choose to replace it with a ballistic 100cpsi cat, does that newer, better than stock cat restrict them from getting rego till they pass ADR's
again?
Rubbish

[Bearman]

Signed!!

This is dreadful!! Who knows how extreme this will be. As the above post asks, simple replacement of a common part with an aftermarket one not to absolute factory spec??

What is going on in NSW, are they trying to out-nanny-state the Nanny State aka VIC?? I'm amazed the Brumby muppets hadn't come up with this one themselves.

Geezus!! Our state election is in November, when's yours??

[Bucknaked]

signed

[TheZHLANE]

#285 lol fail

[geckoGT]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes this is the whole point I am trying to make.

Too many times people just jump on a band wagon and slam a group (usually one of which they are not a member).

The night P plate law while being a good idea for some is a bad idea for others, the point of fairness being that a person who works at night is discriminated against over a person who works during the day.

This law will stop a whole range of dangerous unroadworthy death traps from being registered with a small side effect of a few genuine enthusiasts being disadvantaged.

It really hurts more when YOU are the ones affected doesn't it?

We are our own worst enemies. We sit back and pontificate as more and more freedoms are taken just so long as it does not directly affect US then scream all of a sudden when it does.

I would really like someone to explain in terms that a "non car enthusiast" (aka the majority of drivers) would believe how fitting a V8 to an old car originally fitted with a 6 or modifying a 2 year old FPV to 400 rwkw is actually making it safer?

Looks like this time the persecuted minority group is not P platers or 4WD drivers or whomever. Not fun eh......

Maybe some of you will look at the bigger picture next time before joining the lynch mob.

P.S. I think this it is a silly law and have also signed the petition.

Flappist, I am disappointed that you have bought a different topic into this thread, I expected better from you and his is clearly you just wanting to pick a fight.

The rest of your comment I will address in the appropriate thread and keep this on on topic.

[Jim Goose]

Utterly rediculas....
Signed.
Everyone who has facebook make sure you post it there and get people to pass it on to others. Use your email and pass it on to everyone.
If you belong to a club... post it on their website.
Get an many people to write letters to their local members.
Once one state passes the law, it will spread to other states.

[gtxb67]

is there any link to what is proposed. quite simply it would put too many cars off the road. there is no way in hell all of the modified cars from the 70's or even 80's can be returned to stock or made compliant to the current adr's

could it be that the rules are only applicable to any car built after the date the rule is introduced - not a great idea either way and would be too hard to police anyway. as someone has suggested what constitutes modified - a bullbar, different tyres

[rag top]

Originally Posted by aussie muscle

Does anyone have any specifics on the new laws? i search the web, but nothing but this petition comes up that is current.

seconded; wonder if it is a scam???

[King Nothing]

Originally Posted by gtxb67

is there any link to what is proposed. quite simply it would put too many cars off the road. there is no way in hell all of the modified cars from the 70's or even 80's can be returned to stock or made compliant to the current adr's

could it be that the rules are only applicable to any car built after the date the rule is introduced - not a great idea either way and would be too hard to police anyway. as someone has suggested what constitutes modified - a bullbar, different tyres

Non-factory roof racks?
Non OEM tyres?
Non-OEM light bulbs?
Non-OEM oil cap?

What about ex-police cars from auctions with non-standard electrics and brakes?
People who want to put custom trays on utes for work purposes?
Aftermarket alarm systems? K&N air filters?

... aftermarket lights and cameras on the roof of white territories?

[George V]

This new NSW roads minister is a puppet of RTA bureaucrats; has no commonsense.

Good luck with getting anything through.

Have to wait till March next year.


Cheers,
George

[GTENVY]

Both myself and my wife have signed. This is getting ridiculous, why can't they actually come up with some, policies, laws, regulations etc that will actually make a difference and MAKE SOME SENSE!!

[OLDFORDNUT]

signed, might not make a difference but not doing anything has even less chance so we live in hope.
the new rules planned dont say anything about rack and pinions and l300 front ends in rods they just say modifications that means any changes EVEN flared guards could count as a mod,its just one more open ended rule change to allow RTA and cops to hassle anyone they feel like.

[Jason[98.EL]]

Congratulations. You have successfully signed the petition:
Fair Registration for Modified Vehicles.

You are signer #806 [?]

not to many signed yet but hope it is only early days

Jason

[ltd]

Originally Posted by flappist

Yes this is the whole point I am trying to make.

Too many times people just jump on a band wagon and slam a group (usually one of which they are not a member).

The night P plate law while being a good idea for some is a bad idea for others, the point of fairness being that a person who works at night is discriminated against over a person who works during the day.

This law will stop a whole range of dangerous unroadworthy death traps from being registered with a small side effect of a few genuine enthusiasts being disadvantaged.

It really hurts more when YOU are the ones affected doesn't it?

We are our own worst enemies. We sit back and pontificate as more and more freedoms are taken just so long as it does not directly affect US then scream all of a sudden when it does.

I would really like someone to explain in terms that a "non car enthusiast" (aka the majority of drivers) would believe how fitting a V8 to an old car originally fitted with a 6 or modifying a 2 year old FPV to 400 rwkw is actually making it safer?

Looks like this time the persecuted minority group is not P platers or 4WD drivers or whomever. Not fun eh......

Maybe some of you will look at the bigger picture next time before joining the lynch mob.

P.S. I think this it is a silly law and have also signed the petition.

I see what you're saying and I have to agree with you.
The problem is that applying a blanket ban on something to target only a few ends up hurting many others. One by one we are allowing our liberties and freedoms to be eroded to satisfy the fringe lobbyists like Harold Scruby, and as a fairly apathetic society no one does anything about it. Then through legislation the government only meets scant resistance so feels vindicated. Whilst petitions are often ignored, Governments only take notice when the media focuses on them so you'll need a protest to make that happen. Problem with that is, these things are hard to organise and often descend into chaos. So, we sit back and allow it to happen, and on and on it goes.

I have signed it but must admit, I was fairly open minded and supportive of bans on P platers late at night. The dumb thing is however, most of the problem P plate drivers would simply remove their P plates; I suppose that escaped the attention of the NSW transport minister John Hazadikinizass.

Meanwhile speaking of dumb legislation, did anyone else read about the old woman busted for hoon offences after leaving her secret female lover? It made all the papers; "Granny Hoon speeds for secret Poon" or something like that. They say love is blind and in her case, I hope her younger lover is.

[King Nothing]

I'm starting to question the legitimacy of this petition. Has anyone seen anything official at all from either the NSW government or the RTA? I've tried searching for ages and the only recent information is this petition.

There is an idea around that this is to do with the importation of cars, not cars sold here. Something like people importing old muscle cars from the states not being able to register them because they have relatively minor items like aftermarket brakes, etc. The law itself hasn't changed, apparently, just how it's interpreted by the RTA.

Again, does anyone have a link to anything? I've tried contacting the petition starter, I'll post any response that I get.

[Bucknaked]

Originally Posted by STANI

#285 lol fail

What are you expecting, a million signatures within a minute of going live. ?

[rag top]

Originally Posted by King Nothing

I'm starting to question the legitimacy of this petition. Has anyone seen anything official at all from either the NSW government or the RTA? I've tried searching for ages and the only recent information is this petition.

There is an idea around that this is to do with the importation of cars, not cars sold here. Something like people importing old muscle cars from the states not being able to register them because they have relatively minor items like aftermarket brakes, etc. The law itself hasn't changed, apparently, just how it's interpreted by the RTA.

Again, does anyone have a link to anything? I've tried contacting the petition starter, I'll post any response that I get.

I've been unable to find anything but the petition itself and a number of forums like this one. Looking forward to the response...

[The Yeti]

Trust me this has been lurking for some time in the street rod comunity

This is from the NSW ASRF June 2010 Minutes.

"What was discussed were the changes in NSW to MPV (Modified Production Vehicles) and ICV (Idividually Constructed Vehicles). The RTA are intending that soon all Modified Production Vehicles will have a FINAL inspection by the RTA;the Engineer will have to provide evidence to their approvals and the base for a Street Rod will no longer be apair of chassis rails and one cross member. The RTA believes that we are so close to being able to achieve ICV, with concessions on some of the ADR'S (Australian Desigin Rules) that this is the track we should consider. "

items in ( ) have been added to explain the abreviations

if this happens it will cause problems for the entire modified car comunity NOT just Street rods

[King Nothing]

Guys, some more information. Taken from here: http://www.jalopyjournal.com/forum/s...=492071&page=2

This is from the NSW ASRF June 2010 Minutes.

"What was discussed were the changes in NSW to MPV (Modified Production Vehicles) and ICV (Idividually Constructed Vehicles). The RTA are intending that soon all Modified Production Vehicles will have a FINAL inspection by the RTA;the Engineer will have to provide evidence to their approvals and the base for a Street Rod will no longer be apair of chassis rails and one cross member. The RTA believes that we are so close to being able to achieve ICV, with concessions on some of the ADR'S (Australian Desigin Rules) that this is the track we should consider. "

"Tony, as far as I know it is for all modified vehicles full registration. From what I'm hearing, modification could mean paint colour change ,wheel change, ride height ect. I'm chasing for more info.........This will affect any car group or club wanting something other than off the showroom floor. "

Sound like any modified car/4WD will have to be engineered and taken over the pits?

[King Nothing]

Originally Posted by The Yeti

Trust me this has been lurking for some time in the street rod comunity

This is from the NSW ASRF June 2010 Minutes.

"What was discussed were the changes in NSW to MPV (Modified Production Vehicles) and ICV (Idividually Constructed Vehicles). The RTA are intending that soon all Modified Production Vehicles will have a FINAL inspection by the RTA;the Engineer will have to provide evidence to their approvals and the base for a Street Rod will no longer be apair of chassis rails and one cross member. The RTA believes that we are so close to being able to achieve ICV, with concessions on some of the ADR'S (Australian Desigin Rules) that this is the track we should consider. "

items in ( ) have been added to explain the abreviations

if this happens it will cause problems for the entire modified car comunity NOT just Street rods

Beat me by *that* much!

[King Nothing]

I've received a reply from the petition starter;

The main reason for this petition is that the RTA has had meeting with
Delegates from the Australian Street Rod Federation and have told them (even
showed them a draft copy) of a new system. However they will not release
this information, Hence the need for consultation. I will send out more
information as I get it.

[buggo]

I signed it, number 10xx
So I guess if this law ispassed, every single car will need to be reverted to stock regardless of how minor the changes are, due to emissions regualtions. So if John puts a larger rim on his otherwise stock falcon, that improves performance, he won't meet ADRs due to Euro4, becuase is car is more than two years old, and is at best Euro3. Dumb

[King Nothing]

Originally Posted by buggo_gt

I signed it, number 10xx
So I guess if this law ispassed, every single car will need to be reverted to stock regardless of how minor the changes are, due to emissions regualtions. So if John puts a larger rim on his otherwise stock falcon, that improves performance, he won't meet ADRs due to Euro4, becuase is car is more than two years old, and is at best Euro3. Dumb

I have a terrible feeling it's more than just emissions. The ADRs would outline things such as ABS brakes, airbags, etc. If, as the petition states,

and will have to comply with the ADR's current on the day that it goes for registration

then it could be a whole world of hurt.

[The Yeti]

Originally Posted by King Nothing

I have a terrible feeling it's more than just emissions. The ADRs would outline things such as ABS brakes, airbags, etc. If, as the petition states,

then it could be a whole world of hurt.

Thats it exactly

[GasoLane]

Not signed until Mr Andrew McClelland gets back to me with more details, for all we know he could be anyone having fun with a petition!

I also noticed that he says the 'MAJORITY' of vehicles. When (If ?) he comes back with more detail on that I'll have another look.

[King Nothing]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Not signed until Mr Andrew McClelland gets back to me with more details, for all we know he could be anyone having fun with a petition!

I also noticed that he says the 'MAJORITY' of vehicles. When (If ?) he comes back with more detail on that I'll have another look.

It could be the case but I doubt it. The Australian Street Rod Federation June 2006 minutes, as I've posted above, mention it and I've seen the minutes.

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by King Nothing

It could be the case but I doubt it. The Australian Street Rod Federation June 2006 minutes, as I've posted above, mention it and I've seen the minutes.

2006 ? Takes a while to get a petition up and going it seems.

[King Nothing]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

2006 ? Takes a while to get a petition up and going it seems.

Whoops, got my wires crossed. I meant June 2010, 6 must have come from June being the 6th month. Don't try to cook and post!