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I agree with all points but this. Plastic grocery bags cause huge problems for marine life. They look just like jelly fish to them. |
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Maybe you should read the credible research from the 80's that said we were about to have an ice age. The first step to stop it was to put coal dust on the polar ice caps to melt them! It is easy to see there is a political agenda at play here. Carbon dioxide has been at much higher levels than now as evidenced by core samples of ice from millions of years ago showing 10%+ CO2. |
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Climate change as a concept has been around a long time now. The various strategies like carbon trading are only fairly new. I think the first time I really noticed any attention to it was about 93 when I had to do a course on ozone depleting substances when they were getting rid of R12 and moving to R134a.
There is always debate over the economic costs when changes happen. What I've noticed over the years is that despite the doom and gloom forecasts by industry, life continues. Industry may change, and indeed some may die, but they always seem to come up with another industry to replace it.
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If Climate Change was real, there would never have been the need for the "scientists" to email each other with what data to hide and how to present the data they wanted to show in a way to maximise the "climate change" affect.
It is just a way that enviromentalists found a way to push their cause. Previously "enviromentalism" was very expensive if the world followed its agenda. They just finally caught on that they needed to make it more costly to not follow it.
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I should add, I totally agree with you on your point about the jobs being lost to the countries that are not as tightly controlled. Increasing costs on environment, health, safety and welfare in the Western culture means we should be imposing import taxes to look after our own economies. These taxes, I do support. Last edited by chevypower; 18-01-2011 at 06:33 PM. |
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There is more energy in one cyclone than has been generated by man since the invention of the wheel. One volcanic eruption spews more CO2 than we ever have and there have not been any REALLY BIG eruptions for centuries.... |
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................ Anyway while its a nice e-mail can someone show me that its true. If I believed every e-mail I got I should be a millionaire since that nice Nigerian prince wanted me to hold his large bank account for him. BTW I'm not a believer of man made climate change but I would like something more then an e-mail.
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Climate change- when you change the climate control setting on your ford from 17 to 24 degress. Now thats about as far as climate change goes UNLESS YOU CHANGE IT FROM C TO H and about your only change at changing the climate in anyway whatsoever.
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The term carbon TRADING is self explanitary... if you dont understand that this whole scheme is designed to make corporations TRADE in carbon shares. Big business is pushing the ajenda. Hardly a "socialist" idea...
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Money money money, the cult of global warming has often been described as a religion.
It reminds me of what a great man once said, "if you want to get rich, you start a religion" Oh wait, he wasn't a great man, he was a total nutter who spent his days cruising the world on a boat manned by a squad of teenage boys. ![]() edit: I'd like to rescind the above post. Last edited by WMD351; 18-01-2011 at 07:41 PM. Reason: Church of scientoligy just issued me a writ of libel. |
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For me "Climate Change" is not just Co2 emissions, i look at the long term effects of deforestation, population growth etc which at it's current rate is not conducive to long term survival and whilst i don't buy into alot of the global warming hysteria, at the rate we are chewing up this planet it has to have some sort of effect.
I recently watched an amazing doco on Fox called "Home" narrated by Glen Close it does have a sometimes alarmist view towards the environment but the visuals are unbelievable and facts layed down are very hard to ignore. Last edited by GT 160; 18-01-2011 at 07:55 PM. |
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Sorry, I couldn’t find a graph that covered the last 5 years, but I can tell you 2006 to 2009 was very unremarkable (all within 20mm of the long term average), and 2010 came in very wet, but still a long way off the record high of the mid 70’s. Yes, I agree, “Australia” does not mean “global”, but has been identified as one of the countries most vulnerable to climate change, so you would imagine we would have some statistical indicators. We have just spent billions on desalination plants because the experts told us we could no longer rely on rainfall. Now the same experts are saying they predicted the rainfall that now renders the desalination plants obsolete. I’m like you, I’m not qualified to state one way or the other, I only see what I read. But if AGW is a reality, I think it’s safe to say that the IPCC with their dodgy hockey stick graphs, computer modeling and scaremongering have stuffed up the sales pitch to the public. |
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There is no doubt we are stuffing up the planet, however trading schemes on the stock market and taxes doesnt solve the issue. Is all designed around money and making a dollar (or several billion).
If governments were ligitimate about climate change, why dont they simply introduce LAWS (OMG MORE LAWS!!!) saying YOU WILL reduce/meet/not exceed/do your best etc... but instead we dont see this, instead all we see are "schemes" (money making) and taxes.... A company a few yrs ago destroyed several thousand hectares of amazon jungle and then replanted PINE trees and got more carbon credits for their efforts! The scheme works... they made money from cutting the trees, killing animals and removing the locals, then got another reward for planting pines in place of a vital rain forest...?
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As in a coal mine in australia selling coal to australians then the tax comes in to play . But if your coal mining in australia a shipping it overseas they dont have to pay the tax because its the country importing the products problem. So in short the big company's wipe out the little guys and just keep getting bigger. |
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At current rates at least 50% of the Amazon will be gone by 2030
40% of arable land has suffered long term and permanent damage Every year 13 million hectares of forest disappear 1 mammal in 4, 1 bird in 8 and 1 amphibian in 3 is on the verge of extinction 3/4 of fishing grounds are exhausted, depleted or in severe decline I could go on and on but this to me is "climate change" and in 20-30 yrs it scares me to think what kind of a place my kids will be left with. |
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But as for climate change in the sence of global warming, I have no time for those that are imposing some rediculous standards and taxes on the masses. Heavy-handed emission standards (Diesel in particular at the moment is a freakin joke) and uneconomical employment of alternate power generation (Hybrid cars and solar energy) are a false economy...... I really dont believe any of the hype that blames the consumption of fossil fuels for the impending doom of the climate but hunting animals to extinction and the effects of clearing land I am against Daniel |
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We are a world run by hypocrites who are more interested in making a buck than trying to save the planet. While I feel guilty in my own house for leaving a light on, I drive into the city in the evening where thousands of offices are illuminated all night... Wonder how many black balloons these office workers find every morning? We are asked to embrace public transport, yet it is cheaper for me to drive to the city in my car than use the train. We have an ancient and complex ticketing system but who cares? We have empty buses that run on CNG.. WOW.... I can get across Seoul for around $1.50 yet that is about half of what you need to travel ONE STOP on a Sydney train. The Insulation debacle. Tens of millions spent to save a few cents on our electricity bill per day, and now we need more tens of millions to fix all the shonky work. But hey, we are all doing our bit right? Where did all those batts come from I wonder?? We are spending billions on a de-salination plant in Sydney, yet almost all that water from QLD has wasted away into the ocean... Plastic shopping bags are the anti-Christ it seems. So it's fine to ban them, but what do you use to line the bin at home?? Ohhh you mean now I need to BUY plastic bags for my bin. Smart move that. I'm all for trying my best to do my bit for the environment. I hate waste, but I hate mis-management, profiteering and blatant hypocrisy MUCH more.... ![]() |
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To suggest all the various emissions from human activity will have absolutely no harmful effects on this planets environment is optimistic at best, more like dangerous ignorance IMO. And carbon trading, yes, I agree - absolute rubbish. Dont agree with carbon trading schemes at all. Carbon tax however, I think this should definitely happen. Yes I know, its yet another tax. I hate taxes as much as anyone. Thing is, and even the most steadfast climate change skeptic should agree with this unless their head is truly in the sand - we must move away from fossil fueled energy, for the simple reason that fossil fuels will eventually run out. With me so far? So, how can we do this? Why bother adopting new technologies when the old stuff does it just as well at a fraction of the cost?? Carbon tax makes new technology more competitive on a cost basis. It will make more people consider options they wouldn't have previously. It will get too expensive to pollute, so people will look at ways they can stop. In an ideal world; A carbon tax is largely an optional tax - dont pollute as much and you wont pay as much. A carbon tax is a temporary tax. If it works as it should in theory, then eventually there will barely be any carbon emissions, therefore barely any tax. A carbon tax can harness the market, which is by far the most powerfull tool in a capitalist society, and make it possible, inevetible to move to cleaner energy and industry. Funds from a carbon tax can be used to subsidise the shift to cleaner energy - solar panels for houses for example. With no carbon tax or similar, we'll continue on with current technologies until we suddenly run out of oil, at which point the change over to newer technologies will need to be a lot quicker and a lot more expensive than it could have been. So in the long run, the carbon tax isn't very expensive at all. I should point out that I do realise my points on a carbon tax are in an ideal (fantasy) world, and fully understand that the whole system would be corrupted by any government imaginable, resulting in it being far less effective and more costly than it should be. Quote:
The main point that I want to make is this; YOU DO NOT KNOW EVERYTHING You dont know that climate change caused by human activity is BS. I dont know that it isn't. So the claim is scientists pedal climate change to secure funding. What about the skeptic scientists, aren't they just all employed by oil companies and the like? Whos paying their bills?? No one knows for certain what the real deal is. So wouldn't it pay to exercise some caution? Especially seeing as there are other reasons to do so (ie; fossil fuel depletion) |
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They are just articles proving that scientists once believed in global cooling. The global warming agenda started much later. |
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If the world believed in climate change, coal power would be outlawed and nuclear would be the going thing. Not much point leaving the uranium in the ground turning into lead!
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The second article is just journalistic fluff. It sites no studies, just some selected facts and weaves a story designed to sell media, not examine science.
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