LPG, The End!!

[RASER]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

Aren't Hybrids only good in the city though. I thought when on country drives they used the petrol engine?

I think my next *home/family* car will be a hybrid, most likely the $23k base PriusC, a bonus in Vic. the rego. is ~ $75 less for hybrids.

You get 2km range from memory just on battery power, if you floor it or it senses load the petrol engine kicks in, on the hwy the petrol engine would be always operating and the battery portion goes to sleep and charges the battery.

The std. Prius does around 1000km on the hwy so its frugal anyway

I never owned one, but those with them recon they are the ants pants

Ford have hybrids in US but not for us...yet

[b0son]

Originally Posted by RASER

Can the Peugeot tow 2300kg?

Can it carry 5 blokes?

Funny how often these come up whenever anyone questions the value of a big sedan.

Thing is, I rarely see Falcons loaded wtih people towing caravans or boats.

Maybe I should be looking for Falcons towing floats to the mardi gras....

[PepeLePew]

Just comparative petrol to diesel to LPG convert:

From greenguide, one diesel, one petrol same vehicle both 6 spd manual

Nissan D40 Navara Dual Cab 4x4
2.5L 4cyl (T), Man 6 speed
Utility, 5 seats, 4WD
Diesel
Comb 8.5
Urban 10.7 * 1.55 (adelaide diesel price) = $16.50 per 100
Extra 7.2
CO2 224

Nissan D40 Navara Dual Cab 4x4
4.0L 6cyl, Man 6 speed
Utility, 5 seats, 4WD
Petrol 91RON
Combined 13.6
Urban 18.8 * 1.45 (approx adelaide ULP on a good day)= $27.26 /100
Extra 10.6
CO2 329

LPG @ extra 20% consumption = 22.56l /100 *0.7 = $15.79/100

Personally I reckon its more to do with the high price of conversion and the lack of a significant rebate now. Course the rebate just led to some gouging so yes, the industry have done themselves no favours. And yes, I'm a diesel driver but I loved my vapour injected BA turbo to death

[Yellow_Festiva]

Originally Posted by RASER

I think my next *home/family* car will be a hybrid, most likely the $23k base PriusC, a bonus in Vic. the rego. is ~ $75 less for hybrids.

You get 2km range from memory just on battery power, if you floor it or it senses load the petrol engine kicks in, on the hwy the petrol engine would be always operating and the battery portion goes to sleep and charges the battery.

The std. Prius does around 1000km on the hwy so its frugal anyway

I never owned one, but those with them recon they are the ants pants

Ford have hybrids in US but not for us...yet

2km?? Sure of that?? Sounds way short of the range I would assume such a car would have (30-50km??)

Watched a review on the PriusC. Consumption is same as it's larger brother?? They should have used a smaller engine 1.1 / 1.3L to get that figure down, even a few points to differentiate it from the regular Prius.

Hard to argue on price... Original Prius was around 40k....

[olds]

Originally Posted by b0son

Funny how often these come up whenever anyone questions the value of a big sedan.

Thing is, I rarely see Falcons loaded wtih people towing caravans or boats.

Maybe I should be looking for Falcons towing floats to the mardi gras....

You buy them so you can have hat option when needed holidays ect.

[turbodewd]

Originally Posted by RASER

I think my next *home/family* car will be a hybrid, most likely the $23k base PriusC, a bonus in Vic. the rego. is ~ $75 less for hybrids.

You get 2km range from memory just on battery power, if you floor it or it senses load the petrol engine kicks in, on the hwy the petrol engine would be always operating and the battery portion goes to sleep and charges the battery.

The std. Prius does around 1000km on the hwy so its frugal anyway

I never owned one, but those with them recon they are the ants pants

Ford have hybrids in US but not for us...yet

mate, let me throw in a 15%-off voucher for you for Cardigans R Us. Sydney, Melb or Bris store - take your pic.

[graham7773]

dave 3911, I'm not very sure what you are talking about but both the VT Commodore and the AU Falcon had anLPG option. My brother owned cabs even earlier than those and had LPG fitted from new. I am sure that the cab pack options installed on the models I mentioned included LPG systems

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by turbodewd

mate, let me throw in a 15%-off voucher for you for Cardigans R Us. Sydney, Melb or Bris store - take your pic.

MAAAAATEEE !!!! I LAUGHED SO HARD

[GK]

Originally Posted by graham7773

dave 3911, I'm not very sure what you are talking about but both the VT Commodore and the AU Falcon had anLPG option. My brother owned cabs even earlier than those and had LPG fitted from new. I am sure that the cab pack options installed on the models I mentioned included LPG systems

There was certainly an aftermarket kit for the VT but unless my memory is going south, not from the factory.

The AU of course, offered factory dual fuel in the Series 1 and then of course dedicated egas engines in S2-3.

GK

[Vincenzo]

Originally Posted by GasOLane

..........

Either way it's still about half the price of regular ULP and a long way under the Premium ULP.

Darwin prices today 23/05/2012

ULP $1.59 cpl

Premium $1.69 cpl

LPG $1.05 cpl

Unlike south - we do not have a price rollercoaster / week / fortnight or month

[Polyal]

Jeez thats harsh..im spewing if LPG is not atleast 50% of PULP! Even at the high prices Im saving ~$100 per week with my system. Very happy.

[ILLaViTaR]

So it goes up when it's in high demand as well as when it has no demand.....lol

It's a byproduct which they make ridiculous profits off, back in the day they used to burn the crap like rubbish and now they're stressing the price "must" go up because there's absolutely no demand. I basically stopped driving since it went up to 70 cents, sick of being screwed over by these companies, not worth driving anywhere anymore lol.

[Nikked]

Originally Posted by olds

You buy them so you can have hat option when needed holidays ect.

Most caravans i see are towed by Prados...

[olds]

Originally Posted by Nikked

Most caravans i see are towed by Prados...

Maybe so but I know one thing went camping at Easter , the park was full but didn't see any 4 cyls in front of those vans .

[mik]

Originally Posted by Vincenzo

Darwin prices today 23/05/2012

ULP $1.59 cpl

Premium $1.69 cpl

LPG $1.05 cpl

Unlike south - we do not have a price rollercoaster / week / fortnight or month

not sure on the others , i think unleaded today i saw at $1.46.6 at an independant, also saw LPG at 0.65c
both prices in Melbourne north.

[NX74205]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

DISHEARTENED . CHECK MY THREAD ON XTRAIL .
my xr6 is coming off lease in january . the govt has ruined any chance of a re lease . i was considering buying it and converting it to LPG . it seems not viable anymore either. i may sell it and down size to a medium 4cy for work . its sad . but if holden and ford cannot compete and our govt dont support us . instead of leasing a falcon , or buying one on lpg , i'll buy a 4cy , cheaper and better technology and alsmot the same size if not biggger than my 2nd hand fg . i never thought i would see the day . i'm not far off tears reading this , but i simply cant afford over $200 a week in petrol costs anymore . if lpg savings arent there anymore .
i can sell my fg xr6 and buy an equal SUV , FOR LESS AND SAVE .
sorry ford .
from now on its a performance fpv weekender for me , and a practicle import .

There's this wonderful new 4cyl from Ford called the Falcon EcoBoost ...

[gtfpv]

Originally Posted by NX74205

There's this wonderful new 4cyl from Ford called the Falcon EcoBoost ...

the problem with it is its the same price as the I6 , and about 7 grand dearer than an xtrail suv /or equivelant .

[flooded one]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

the problem with it is its the same price as the I6 , and about 7 grand dearer than an xtrail suv /or equivelant .

too be honest i'm suprised that ford didnt ask for more with four cylinder ecoboost. the only way i see ford selling it for less the I6 is if they raise the price of the I6 or the get rid of something in the ecoboost.

[1TUFFUTE]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

the problem with it is its the same price as the I6 , and about 7 grand dearer than an xtrail suv /or equivelant .

i allready posted in your other thread but i just thought of something.....the xtrail is still the old model....the ecoboost is the new series 2 falcon with a brand new eco engine...just a thought

[jpd80]

Here's the real story courtesy of Tech Resources, the Herald Sun misquoted figures are just plain wrong...



I think Russellw's chart shows the trend across vehicle types, quite surprised that sales aren't more with EcoLPI but low
figures could be a sign that most fleets have leased vehicles filling those roles already.

It may just take more time for LPG sales to come back, or might be that managers now discover I-4s are
a better proposition than LPG altogether..we just don't know at the moment..

[babyf6]

Originally Posted by gtfpv

DISHEARTENED . CHECK MY THREAD ON XTRAIL .
my xr6 is coming off lease in january . the govt has ruined any chance of a re lease . i was considering buying it and converting it to LPG . it seems not viable anymore either . i may sell it and down size to a medium 4cy for work . its sad . but if holden and ford cannot compete and our govt dont support us . instead of leasing a falcon , or buying one on lpg , i'll buy a 4cy , cheaper and better technology and alsmot the same size if not biggger than my 2nd hand fg . i never thought i would see the day . i'm not far off tears reading this , but i simply cant afford over $200 a week in petrol costs anymore . if lpg savings arent there anymore .
i can sell my fg xr6 and buy an equal SUV , FOR LESS AND SAVE .
sorry ford .
from now on its a performance fpv weekender for me , and a practicle import .

This seems to be the trend as of late. Something has gone seriously wrong with the Aus car market

[sudszy]

Its not just what % price lpg is of petrol, its the absolute difference that is important too, though once we get above 70% then its going to be a loss situation running lpg.

When I first started using lpg, it was 1/5 the price of petrol, but the savings per 100km is nowhere near as much as it is today even with lpg being close to 1/2 the price of lpg(in melbourne at least).

There is now close to a 70 cent margin per litre(though it has been higher in recent years), multiply that by 0.7 for the extra vol usage to effectively be 50 cents.

[vanman_75]

Buy a motorcycle ...for work commute , I did .

[RASER]

Originally Posted by vanman_75

Buy a motorcycle ...for work commute , I did .

To dangerous

To expensive to register

To cold

No boot

FAIL

[They are great fun though, weekend toy]

[Ducati888]

Originally Posted by RASER

To dangerous

To expensive to register

To cold

No boot

FAIL

[They are great fun though, weekend toy]

Real motorcyclists care not for such cop outs. We just get to work really quickly with big smiles on our faces and sport helmet hair proudly all day.

Don't need a boot to carry a couple of sandwiches and a laptop.

[xisled]

Looking at those figures it seems diesel is somthing that ford should be looking at. Those figures are masive and constant over the years.

[GasoLane]

With regards to the comparisons of the ecoboost to fake 4wd's I would rather drive something that looks like a car than something resembling a shoebox.

[TMC]

Companies like Kia are taking sales away. Friends of ours always drove Falcon wagons and then fitted them with LPG. It came time for an upgrade recently. No Falcon wagon. Let's take a look at diesel Territory then. Too expensive. Bought a diesel Kia Sorrento (More power and torque than Territory and from a 2.2TDi 4 cyl). I think a lot are going down this sort of route.

[mike_nofx]

Problem is, dropping off the kids at school or at soccer in a falcon doesn't give you the same status as dropping them off in an SUV.

(for the record, not my point of view!)

[SeduceXR]

I'm sure the governments increase in LPG Excise tax isn't helping either.

Since July 2011 the government has been increasing the tax on LPG by 2.5 cents for a total increase of 12.5cent by 2015