Ford USA change of heart. - Page 2

Romulus · 06-01-2017, 02:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Windsor220

You cant sell enough in Aus to make it viable. Especially when you are selling a product that is almost dead. Comparing us to America is stupid its a completely different scale.

Ford and Holden did, for decades, with their sales peaking in the early 2000's.

I put it to you it was government policy which caused the demise of the automotive sector, from both sides of politics.

Tell me again how these FTA's have benefited the workers of Australia?

Where Obama said there was nothing the government could do to stop manufacturing from leaving the US and going overseas, Trump has made Obama look like a fool, a lame duck President.

SpoolMan · 06-01-2017, 03:29 AM

They never made money, maybe a few years of small profits and it was us the tax payer that kept the car's coming which I didn't mind as employment keeps the economy rolling, but now it got to a point where the product being produced was no longer being purchased, hence why would you spend money on building it.

Blame who ever we like but If this was my money I wouldn't spend it like this, I doubt you anyone would spend your family's money on a product that no one buys or doesn't return a profit after huge outlays of money.
The debate well go on forever at the end of every financial year it's Sales speak volumes.
2014 Toyota reported they are losing $2500 on each of the 70,000 Camry's they export Middle East annually and they have had $1.2 billion in tax payer assistance over the last decade.
I don't know how many of you read this article, $7000 paid by the tax payer for each 4cyl Falcon built.
''Confidential figures obtained by News Corp Australia reveal that, in addition to $7000 for every four-cylinder Falcon sold — up to 20 per cent of the purchase price''
http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...ce99b925b19800

These numbers are a few years old.

Government funding (2001 to 2012):
Holden: $2.17 billion
Toyota: $1.2 billion
Ford: $1.1 billion

Annual average (2001 to 2012):
Holden: $180 million
Toyota: $95.8 million
Ford: $87.8 million

Cars made locally in 2012:
Holden: 85,000
Toyota: 101,500
Ford: 37,000

Average taxpayer dollars per car built in 2012:
Holden: $2117
Toyota: $944
Ford: $2372

MrZ · 06-01-2017, 08:32 AM

How can one single man stand up to Ford? Impossible. The president has limited powers - any proposed bill would have to pass through the house of representatives, for starters. Trump is all talk.

chevypower · 06-01-2017, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by MrZ

How can one single man stand up to Ford? Impossible. The president has limited powers - any proposed bill would have to pass through the house of representatives, for starters. Trump is all talk.

He is doing it by political pressure just by talking/Tweeting about it. The power of influence.

Maka · 06-01-2017, 09:39 AM

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Originally Posted by chevypower

He is doing it by political pressure just by talking/Tweeting about it. The power of influence.

Some in the US golf industry should be called out by Donald Trump including USGA too...Secret long running scandal that would upset alot of Aussie golfers...

Back on topic, Ford being nimble & pro active is nothing new, its great news for unemployed US auto workers! Proudly Made in USA is a gold standard in quality, a major selling point to potential customers globally. Hybrid Mustang is interesting, hope its a success for Ford!

cheers, Maka

paule11 · 06-01-2017, 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by superyob

So funny yet so gross...

Shhhh you will upset the Political correct Social Justice Warriors

**Cav** · 06-01-2017, 11:51 AM

4.5 billion to Toyota (Japan) and Ford and Holden (USA) of taxpayers money to build cars in Australia and they squandered it.

The FTA agreements between Australia Japan and USA are still helping them.

Squalo · 06-01-2017, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Where Obama said there was nothing the government could do to stop manufacturing from leaving the US and going overseas, Trump has made Obama look like a fool, a lame duck President.

The only people Trump makes look like fools (other than himself) are those gullible enough to believe his rhetoric.

The Ford Focus thing is a terrific case in point - Ford makes their decision, and Trump piggybacks on it with a single tweet. He actually did nothing to influence the decision.

Nikked · 06-01-2017, 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Tonz

How I wish we had a government and or leader that had the balls to stand up to manufacturers like President elect Trump has to Ford USA.
They were planning to build complete new assembly plant in Mexico but after a tirade from Trump have decided to reinvest a billion $$$ in Detroit that will employ an extra 700 people.

Despite the inaccuracy to suggest it was all Trump...

Let just assume that our Government strong armed Ford into investing more into Australia, do you think Trump would want Australia producing cars for America?
What other countries are we able to viably export to? Asia is ruled out, unless our workers take a pay cut...and that's not going to happen.
Our government placing a high tax on imports? Those countries will then do the same, destroying other industries in Australia relying on exports to Asia.

Its not simple.

Falcon fans are a small drop in the ocean in global political and business ideals.

Squalo · 06-01-2017, 03:47 PM

It's also worth noting that Abbott/Hockey government DID actually 'stand up' to the Australian manufacturers... and the manufacturers said yep, no worries, and killed local production.

Careful what you wish for, eh?

Windsor220 · 06-01-2017, 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Ford and Holden did, for decades, with their sales peaking in the early 2000's.

Sure back when all people bought were Falcon and Commodore but those days are long gone.

Kieron · 06-01-2017, 04:56 PM

Ford announced their withdrawal before the Abbott govt came into power...

Fact is, the GFC forced Ford to clean out its closet, the 'One Ford' philosophy spelt the end of Falcon/Territory and it wouldn't have mattered if they were still good sellers, they still would have gone.

No Falc/Terri = no manufacture in Aust, GM followed the same path with dropping the Aussie Commodore and Toyota AU, being in the best position (essentially 'One Toyota') had to follow suit as they share the same suppliers whom would also shrink/disappear.

I seriously doubt the AU govt. could have done anything about it even if we had Donald running the place.

SpoolMan · 06-01-2017, 05:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Kieron

I seriously doubt the AU govt. could have done anything about it even if we had Donald running the place.

This guy

Yeah I had too...

vztrt · 06-01-2017, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Romulus

Ford and Holden did, for decades, with their sales peaking in the early 2000's.

I put it to you it was government policy which caused the demise of the automotive sector, from both sides of politics.

Tell me again how these FTA's have benefited the workers of Australia?

Where Obama said there was nothing the government could do to stop manufacturing from leaving the US and going overseas, Trump has made Obama look like a fool, a lame duck President.

US manufacturing has been growing. There are less jobs due to automation.why pay someone when you can get a machine to do it quicker and more accurately. Plus the machine doesnt whinge like people.

superyob · 06-01-2017, 06:51 PM

So much negative criticism of Trump and he isn't in office yet. But let's point out Obammy's greatest achievement-

What?

There isn't any you say?

Oh he legalised the choice of toilets for trannys???

That's it??? In 8 years???

I think Trump will do better than that...

Maka · 07-01-2017, 08:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Kieron

Ford announced their withdrawal before the Abbott govt came into power...

Fact is, the GFC forced Ford to clean out its closet, the 'One Ford' philosophy spelt the end of Falcon/Territory and it wouldn't have mattered if they were still good sellers, they still would have gone.

No Falc/Terri = no manufacture in Aust, GM followed the same path with dropping the Aussie Commodore and Toyota AU, being in the best position (essentially 'One Toyota') had to follow suit as they share the same suppliers whom would also shrink/disappear.

I seriously doubt the AU govt. could have done anything about it even if we had Donald running the place.

At the same time former pm Gillard also decided Australia should join a new Asian financial organization (a new bank?) & bam next day Ford pulled out of Oz.

Probably no connection but worth mentioning, afaik America were not happy about Oz joining the fledgling new financial organization.

cheers, Maka

Stefan · 07-01-2017, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by boss351290

Doesn't our prime minister have millions of his own money tied up in off shore bank accounts in the Hayman islands??? And he asks all of us to pay tax but he does everything to avoid it. Australia has no chance anymore. It's each for themselves mentality

Yes he was asked to do that so that he has NO Australian investments. If he had Australian investments his position as PM would be a Conflict of interest as his decisions would have a direct impact on his investment earnings.

But Lefties sook either way.

We should have a mother Kevin or Julia so the country can prosper..

mcflux · 07-01-2017, 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by superyob

So much negative criticism of Trump and he isn't in office yet. But let's point out Obammy's greatest achievement-

What?

There isn't any you say?

Oh he legalised the choice of toilets for trannys???

That's it??? In 8 years???

I think Trump will do better than that...

I'd reply with a list of facts, including 400+ accomplishments, but in the world of post-truth this would simply be dismissed.

Davehoos · 07-01-2017, 11:59 AM

I also searched the 400 achievement

-Auditing waist as long as it doesn't change the way goods are supplied or the funds to pay for them If it is from a contractor.. Listed as achievement number 1.

malazn mafia · 07-01-2017, 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SpoolMan

This guy

image

Yeah I had too...

Lol. That's Ronald

superyob · 07-01-2017, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ghia5L

I'd reply with a list of facts, including 400+ accomplishments, but in the world of post-truth this would simply be dismissed.

Much of these so called accomplishments are nothing more than socialism and cultural Marxism posted up on a website and labelled 'accomplishments'. The rest are just day to day bureaucratic workings of office. Hardly accomplishments...

Romulus · 07-01-2017, 03:27 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

So much negative criticism of Trump and he isn't in office yet. But let's point out Obammy's greatest achievement-

What?

There isn't any you say?

Oh he legalised the choice of toilets for trannys???

That's it??? In 8 years???

I think Trump will do better than that...

You forgot the debacle in Syria, Libya, the Arab Spring....

mcflux · 07-01-2017, 04:05 PM

Simply dismissed eh

Davehoos · 07-01-2017, 04:30 PM

several 400 list I found had been a cry to get people out and look past academic and media position and still vote LEFT.
Well the common sense crowd listened,came out and voted for the left to have a short time out and gave them time to reflect.

I cant see how this can be called post truth, My mum would call it overdue.

On international radio reports It was claimed that more high skilled educated graduates needed to build these small hybrids etc. Mexican production was to replace chineese imports.