Anyone know the story behind this torched HO? - Page 3

FTGAutosalvage · 23-12-2009, 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by TP351

I'm pretty sure that this was one of 2 GT's burnt in a garage due to a faulty beer fridge going up in smoke. It's been sitting around for a while.
For this reason, many beer fridges have been removed from garages around the country within the GT community....

i thought the same but 1 of them was a GT HO and the other was a Auto GT that was converted to hand controls.

and no beer fridge in my shed after that happened

xygt71 · 23-12-2009, 01:20 PM

Not one of the cars from the fridge shed fire, Steve is well along the way on a full restro of the HO, the other xy has been put on hold for another day as Steve purchased my old Ochre Xy as a driver until he finishs the HO and then he'll two Ochres the same month/year in the shed

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Cheers

Bruce

Jeddak · 23-12-2009, 01:31 PM

A point to ponder on this burnt out car......
When the body gets heated to the point of glowing,the metal looses ins inherent tension, and the strength of the metal is lost, this car if rebuilt would be a death trap in an crash, also the problem of rust in all of the body joins.
Many of the joins are sealed at time of manufacture with sealant within the overlaying metal spot welded together.this is now gone .
The diff center just might ok ,the outer housing not so,transmission too could be ok,but both would be stripped and checked for any bluing of the gears
the engine core also could be ok with a careful check for cracks and distortion.

Sorry folks...GT or not, this is one that I would avoid.

Deech · 23-12-2009, 03:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Falcman0o7

Some people have to have THE BEST and will pay what ever it takes to get it making it near impossible for the average aussie muscle car enthusiast. :(

Would you say the same thing if you were in the market to SELL one?

mr smith · 23-12-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeddak

A point to ponder on this burnt out car......
When the body gets heated to the point of glowing,the metal looses ins inherent tension, and the strength of the metal is lost, this car if rebuilt would be a death trap in an crash, also the problem of rust in all of the body joins.
Many of the joins are sealed at time of manufacture with sealant within the overlaying metal spot welded together.this is now gone .
The diff center just might ok ,the outer housing not so,transmission too could be ok,but both would be stripped and checked for any bluing of the gears
the engine core also could be ok with a careful check for cracks and distortion.

Sorry folks...GT or not, this is one that I would avoid.

Mate, I'm with you. That car is dead.

macman · 23-12-2009, 07:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Jeddak

A point to ponder on this burnt out car......
When the body gets heated to the point of glowing,the metal looses ins inherent tension, and the strength of the metal is lost, this car if rebuilt would be a death trap in an crash, also the problem of rust in all of the body joins.
Many of the joins are sealed at time of manufacture with sealant within the overlaying metal spot welded together.this is now gone .
The diff center just might ok ,the outer housing not so,transmission too could be ok,but both would be stripped and checked for any bluing of the gears
the engine core also could be ok with a careful check for cracks and distortion.

Sorry folks...GT or not, this is one that I would avoid.

Exactly the point I was trying to make on the previous page.

4Vman · 23-12-2009, 07:44 PM

Guys.. the effect of the fire on the integrity of the steel is totally dependent on how hot it got where the heat was focused and how long it burnt for and.. how quickly it cooled.
Things like diffs, gearboxes and engines would survive largely uneffected internally, they're also located low in the car and as we know fire and heat rises.
I seriously doubt the fire would get anywhere near 1400'c....

DioMac · 23-12-2009, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by nerida67

... (only 2 bidders ,r u one ???)...

I'd be willing to bet you are one of those bidders nerida

Stefan · 23-12-2009, 09:28 PM

The car hasd been inspected by NSW GT club member, no factory dual exhaust, no cross member bracing, has Falcon 500 badge holes in the 1/4s and falcon 500 body mould lugs ground off.

Chasssis number picture (in a link in the ad) is definitely not factory stamping.

Not a GT. Probably an insurance job / scam...

4Vman · 23-12-2009, 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Stefan

The car hasd been inspected by NSW GT club member, no factory dual exhaust, no cross member bracing, has Falcon 500 badge holes in the 1/4s and falcon 500 body mould lugs ground off.

Chasssis number picture (in a link in the ad) is definitely not factory stamping.

Not a GT. Probably an insurance job / scam...

Thanks Stefan, finally someone with facts rather than speculation, crush it!

pottery beige · 23-12-2009, 09:58 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Thanks Stefan, finally someone with facts rather than speculation, crush it!

BURN IT!!..

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Stefan · 23-12-2009, 10:59 PM

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Originally Posted by pottery beige

BURN IT!!..

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Jeddak · 23-12-2009, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Guys.. the effect of the fire on the integrity of the steel is totally dependent on how hot it got where the heat was focused and how long it burnt for and.. how quickly it cooled.
Things like diffs, gearboxes and engines would survive largely uneffected internally, they're also located low in the car and as we know fire and heat rises.
I seriously doubt the fire would get anywhere near 1400'c....

True,true, however having, harvested several burnt out cars ( the last being an S pac AU) and seeing real closeup the damage done to the structural integrity of a car shell, I would not want to be in that ( or any other for that matter) car
and going down the road.

jcxr · 23-12-2009, 11:26 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Guys.. the effect of the fire on the integrity of the steel is totally dependent on how hot it got where the heat was focused and how long it burnt for and.. how quickly it cooled.
Things like diffs, gearboxes and engines would survive largely uneffected internally, they're also located low in the car and as we know fire and heat rises.
I seriously doubt the fire would get anywhere near 1400'c....

Humans are cremated at 1050c, and even then not all bones are reduced to ash. It was estimated that black saturday's fires were significantly hotter than that. Glass had melted/fused at extreme temps. On a lesser scale, aluminium radiators, wheels,engine blocks had been melted into puddles, and ally melts at about 950c. So many variables but a metallurgist would be able to tell just about exactly what temps that shell has seen.Dont forget that heat treating involves high temperature and then quenching. But in my view" It's toast"

Bobman · 24-12-2009, 12:54 AM

How can burnt out cars like this even be allowed to be 'restored'? I thought any car burnt out would be classified as a statutory write off and not be allowed to be re-registered.

darylh67 · 24-12-2009, 01:26 PM

" Not a GT. Probably an insurance job / scam..." -----I have sent a question to the seller via e-bay asking if this is correct--- Wonder if i will get a reply--NOT--- I hope nobody on this forum is one of the lucky bidders-- he should be forced to remove the add or at least remove all bidding and re advertise as a burnt out old falcon--wonder what he would get then?

darylh67 · 24-12-2009, 02:02 PM

This is the reply i recieved from e-bay seller-- Maybe he is not aware either??

we brought vehicle as is, we don't know history behind the vehicle. For somebody to post that on a forum isn't really true we aren't trying to miss lead anybody in anyway we welcome people to inspect and make there own minds up about vehicle.It was sold to us as a GT JG33 so that is what we are selling it as.
Could please send me link to forum he has posted this on.
Thank You

- roadtestedspares Click "

jaydee · 24-12-2009, 02:17 PM

The seller has posted a pic on his website of the vin # from the shock tower and it shows JG33.

1970galaxie · 24-12-2009, 02:51 PM

Read what I said in Post 52, and what Stefan wrote in post 69.

I would be careful when bidding, just in case.

pottery beige · 24-12-2009, 03:29 PM

To many people think that just because a car has some 'number's' that it's got to be a real GT.. Well that don't mean jack .....t Buyer beware you have been warned!!

4Vman · 24-12-2009, 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by jaydee

The seller has posted a pic on his website of the vin # from the shock tower and it shows JG33.

Where? there's no pic of the vin in the ad, his website has nothing..

darylh67 · 24-12-2009, 04:03 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Where? there's no pic of the vin in the ad, his website has nothing..

im with you 4vman--i couldnt find a pic anywhere on sellers site???

**Bundy** · 24-12-2009, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by nerida67

4V MAN,
yes nobody is forcing me to buy it , u r rite
but honestly wat sort of moron would pay that sort of money for a burnt out piece of crap(melted tags,engine burnt gearbox and diff shagged ,body needing alot of work ect ect)
at the end of the day u r spending all ur hard earned cash on a body with a few NUMBERS
yes it mite (could)be a GENUINE GT ,thats a lot of coin on a shell
honestly weight up wat it would cost to finish it off
and still it would have no tags (worth less)
would u take the risk
i know i would not

This would be easier to read with grammer, punctuation, spelling and forethought.....

1970galaxie · 24-12-2009, 04:19 PM

I believe this is it!

**DJR-351** · 24-12-2009, 04:39 PM

As above, i found the pic ok...

http://hardtogetbits.com.au/gallery/xygtvin.JPG

...the balls in your court naysayers...

4Vman · 24-12-2009, 04:50 PM

Im not real keen on the second lot of numbers...
But id want to see them allot clearer before making a call.

zdcol71 · 24-12-2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by bundy

This would be easier to read with grammer, punctuation, spelling and forethought.....

Don't want to hijack the thread, but let us all not be so quick to challenge others so quickly and so often on their spelling, et al,.... read "grammer"....

**DJR-351** · 24-12-2009, 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Vman

Im not real keen on the second lot of numbers...
But id want to see them allot clearer before making a call.

I know exactly where you are coming from.....

For whatever reason the ones on my XA Coupe seem to taper of towards the second set of numbers making it hard to read, but after much wire brushing and the use of a magnifying glass i got the numbers and got confirmation from Ford...

Although thats not to say the shock tower could have come from another wreck...but where do you stop?????

As far as heat damage goes, just looking at the available pics I dont think it would have been hot enough to create to many problems...discounting the sealer between the panel joints though...I remember watching an old school panel beater repair the warped and rippled panels of an old Ford Pilot that went through a barn fire, he had the Oxy/Acet and a bucket of cold water and rags, it took him ages but he had her as straight as a die by the time he finished....

zdcol71 · 24-12-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Bobman

How can burnt out cars like this even be allowed to be 'restored'? I thought any car burnt out would be classified as a statutory write off and not be allowed to be re-registered.

Logical, Bobman.
I guess if the car is restored to whatever numbers it should be restored to, it would possibly pass requirements for roadworthiness or registration; the "statutory" part would probably only be an issue in regards to insurance. eg, the car I am in the process of restoring, at the end of the day,could have been in any condition... But I hope I will be able to get it on the road or it will have been a hell of a waste of time.
As to wether a car that has been through the type of heartache this one appears to have is worth restoring or not... personally as a "metalworker", I wouldn't touch it ,..GT,GTHO, or any other such "would love to have one if only a reasonably priced one came along" badged car. My opinion only.

**DJR-351** · 24-12-2009, 05:56 PM

Further to zdcol71's reply to...

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Originally Posted by Bobman

How can burnt out cars like this even be allowed to be 'restored'? I thought any car burnt out would be classified as a statutory write off and not be allowed to be re-registered.

Depends on a few of things...

1. Was it registered to begin with...

2. Was an insurance claim made...

3. Was it insured to start with...

...how often do we hear about someones pride and joy being stolen, stripped and burnt out, just to find out there was no insurance...

I think if no insurance claim was made against it then there would be no cause to designate it a statutory write off...

I could be wrong tho...