i did it, and all std, hahahahahahaa mofo's!! - Page 3

Damo · 12-02-2006, 12:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Sundeep

That's some good sht Mikal!

I'm really itching to get a Friday night off and run it at Calder. Heathcote's too far if something blows up. My setup's pretty similar to yours beside the head porting and diff so hopefully I run something similar!

Sundeep

Yeah ИИИИИ run it, you pay for the trailor and i'll tow you home. Come on sunny sure you wanna run a time and have people give you ИИИИ about your setup.

:P

snortingboost · 12-02-2006, 12:15 AM

Correct me if i'm wrong but i'm yet to hear of anyone actually servicing their injectors before turbocharging. From all the posts i've read through there hasn't been one which mentioned servicing and flow checking the injectors. Most of these engines have done well over the tone before being boosted and i can tell you from first hand experience that those standard injectors arn't going to be flowing as well as they did 50K ago. No criticism required just an idea, take the injectors out and have them done up and flow tested, you'll be surprised just how much better things will turn out. Awesome time for a near std setup, as i've always said, i'd rather get my dollars worth out of what i've got before needless spending occours. If it works don't NNNk with it.

locknut · 12-02-2006, 01:33 AM

F.kn awesome time, what are ppl talking about?! 13sec is a fast car. Of course anything can be improved, upgraded, replaced. Congrats on the great time mate, and cost effective setup.

I bet I'm not alone when the sheer thought crosses ya mind when reading this, "bugger it, I can do that too!". Elf has nothing to worry about if someone reads this and then tries it. The vehicle owner is responsible, nothing complicated about it. I'm sure this is part of the fine print that majority never reads when they sign up to forums, if not maybe it should be added for whatever reason.

My 0.02 credits.

Nice EB, Nice times.

EFFalcon · 12-02-2006, 03:58 AM

spotted you on boundry road tonight evlelf

Kenaz · 12-02-2006, 10:14 AM

Bloody good effort mate!
Have you got any plans to mod the car further?

Jason[98.EL] · 12-02-2006, 10:52 AM

great effort evlelf
cant wait for the time we get to see it at a cruise
thats what i should have done with the old ea

ea ba turbo · 12-02-2006, 11:04 AM

saw this car at calder friday...

congratulations on reaching your goal
(boost is a drug.....now comes all the expensive bits!!!!)

great times from the setup and with a few more mods will be a weapon
cant wait to see more of this car over the coming months

Good on you for getting out there and giving it a go !!!

Qwikcorty · 12-02-2006, 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by stockstandard

yep, which wasnt mentioned in the origional post - Big difference.

Still skeptical about running a NA timing curve, but not as dodgy as it was made out to be. I would like to see what it will do with a good tune and a turbo grind cam.

eec4 has some boost retard built into it, i remember something about it from eaturboghia, who had a lpg turbo setup.

FRDXR6 · 12-02-2006, 01:48 PM

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Originally Posted by XRated

What did the Supra and 180 run in that photo?

180sx ran 11.4 @ 119mph on slicks, not bad considering the car is setup for drift.

AshMan · 12-02-2006, 02:32 PM

Good on you mate,

ИИИИ the critisers, but there is some good advice contained in these posts.

Like the bloke that put the Clevo into the EA, he asked a few q's then all of a sudden (like a week or so later) he was drivin around the back yard in the bloody thing!

You should have pride in what you've done and you should be very proud of the monster you've created!!!

LUXO_8 · 12-02-2006, 02:40 PM

i really dont think anyone was critisising him, just trying to offer him advise!
which he wasnt willing to accept...

its a remarkable achievement, but people were just trying to explain a few things that'll not only help him get better times, but also keep it reliable

xr8ute · 12-02-2006, 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Qwikcorty

eec4 has some boost retard built into it, i remember something about it from eaturboghia, who had a lpg turbo setup.

I had heard that the range of the MAP sensor was such that it could measure 4-5psi of positive manifold pressure. If the timing tables where "timing vs load" then they would most likely be pulling some timing out at those high engine loads (boost).

Just speculation based on unfounded rumour though. Would be nice to know for sure.... :P

evlelf · 12-02-2006, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by MADNC_8

i really dont think anyone was critisising him, just trying to offer him advise!
which he wasnt willing to accept...

its a remarkable achievement, but people were just trying to explain a few things that'll not only help him get better times, but also keep it reliable

I gladly accept any advice, thats what the post is for, thats what the forums are for.. Please continue to post advice up, it is greatly appreciated

snypereb · 12-02-2006, 06:27 PM

Days are numbered but hey not a bad time!!

-jjM- · 12-02-2006, 06:40 PM

good stuff mate, great too see u got a good time out of ur car, good stuff mate

cbf reading the rest of the post, only just saw ur thread, good stuff

EFFalcon · 13-02-2006, 01:30 AM

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Originally Posted by evlelf

I gladly accept any advice, thats what the post is for, thats what the forums are for.. Please continue to post advice up, it is greatly appreciated

i'll give you advice
give me your car

-jjM- · 13-02-2006, 01:33 AM

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Originally Posted by EFFalcon

i'll give you advice
give me your car

ooh ooh, can i have yours then

EDIT: 1000 POST , WHORING FROM 0 - 1000 AND THE SAME TO 2000 ;)

BOOSTDEF · 13-02-2006, 01:33 AM

so evlelf, you gonna share how you got rid of detonation without any ems?? or are we just gonna be kept in the dark lol

I just cant see how.... So tell??

EFFalc, what happened to your beast mate?? Dont look good..

EFFalcon · 13-02-2006, 01:37 AM

my cars fine, i'm just good with photoshop

efgiar · 13-02-2006, 10:10 AM

john: in that case u could have at least made it have *MORE* damage!

EA2BA · 13-02-2006, 11:01 AM

Get the car on a dyno, get a readout of AFR etc, so we can all see just how good or bad this setup is and stop the speculation.

A standard engine running boost is never going to last long, but its a "how long is a piece of string?" type of question, just like an EA thats never blown a head gasket it does and can happen.

Well done on the effort, top time considering all the extra weight of the stereo install. Wish I was allowed to put a turbo on my car.

P.S. Put the pod in a box to keep Mr Plod happy (well as happy as they can be) , I believe commodore air boxes fit nicely on the battery side and they do flow well.

gozza · 13-02-2006, 11:05 AM

good work man
i get jealous of eveyone on this forum
who cares if the engine blows up....you can have another one in the pipeline and get it fully prepped and when your current one blows swap em over
my mate just bought nos and plans to run 75 hp on a stock engine...lol....don't ask...i got on idea what hes thinking

EA2BA · 13-02-2006, 11:09 AM

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Originally Posted by gozza

good work man
i get jealous of eveyone on this forum
who cares if the engine blows up....you can have another one in the pipeline and get it fully prepped and when your current one blows swap em over
my mate just bought nos and plans to run 75 hp on a stock engine...lol....don't ask...i got on idea what hes thinking

Thats just plain stupid the words ....... Boom, Fire and Death spring to mind.

AshMan · 13-02-2006, 10:18 PM

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Originally Posted by EA2BA

Thats just plain stupid the words ....... Boom, Fire and Death spring to mind.

Then engine will run cooler with nos and you supply the extra fuel to it aswell...

I think the AFR's are the key for longevity here, so long as the mechanical components hold up, the main killer will be heat.

I would be more inclined to think that part of the driveline would fail before the engine does, so long as the engine was good to begin with, those stock clutches and diffs just aren't meant for boost...

tjb45 · 13-02-2006, 10:47 PM

I don’t know why all these people are saying that the engine is not going to last. I have to ask those people, do any of you have experience with this type of setup and engine failure?? I know quite a few people running the same setup for years now with "NO" engine failure. Fair enough opinions of all kinds are good, but if your just out there saying things cant be done “just because”, it might pay to keep your opinions to yourself.

As with engine management costing similar to a new engine, I can tell you I have spent over $3500 on engine management so far, with more tuning to go...

The EF's on the other hand don’t seem to handle boost all that well on the stock ECU, my guess is its got something to do with the Coil packs they run. I would say a EMS is a must have on EF’s, just my opinion though..

Great result, it looks like a good setup, I would also be proud…

Cheers

stockstandard · 13-02-2006, 10:52 PM

the reason why people such as myself were saying it would not last is because the first post made such a big deal about how nothing else was done to the car except for bolting the turbo on. There is no way in hell a stock fuel system can support a turbo (it bearly supports worked NA engines) which is why comments were made. 40 odd posts later is was mentioned that yes, in fact the fuel system has been upgraded.

Even still Id say running close to 30 degrees of timing with 9psi of boost is dangerous. Anyone willing to post otherwise Id be very interested to hear what they have to say.

tjb45 · 13-02-2006, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by stockstandard

the reason why people such as myself were saying it would not last is because the first post made such a big deal about how nothing else was done to the car except for bolting the turbo on. There is no way in hell a stock fuel system can support a turbo (it bearly supports worked NA engines) which is why comments were made. 40 odd posts later is was mentioned that yes, in fact the fuel system has been upgraded.

Even still Id say running close to 30 degrees of timing with 9psi of boost is dangerous. Anyone willing to post otherwise Id be very interested to hear what they have to say.

Fair comment...

So on a stock EEC at WOT they run 30 degrees??

stockstandard · 13-02-2006, 11:06 PM

As far as I can tell (and ive been looking into it a lot lately) the stock eec will run around 26-28 degrees of advance at WOT.

Ive read a few tuning guides for boosted engines in passing and they recommend pulling 2 degrees of timing per lb of boost from the 100kpa value to a maximum of 50%. This is supposed to lead to a very conservative 'safe' tune to use as a starting point. After talking to people who have tuned boosted engines, i think around 20 degrees of advance be ballpark for around this boost level - but I havent tuned such an engine so its not much better than a guess.

tjb45 · 13-02-2006, 11:14 PM

That sounds about right, I would say 20 deg. for around 9psi is close. I could only wonder if the EEC is retarding the timing that much from the MAP sensor and/or other sensors. I've been in a few of these cars and have never heard a hint of detonation...

Do you have any idea what timing they run cruising at 100 kph??

stockstandard · 13-02-2006, 11:28 PM

Not sure about that. I guessed around 40 degrees and that is what Im using for my current tune

Ill try to get some more info on the stock map tomorrow and post it up.