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The One Who Knocks
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Its ridiculous that despite the seemingly constant mass shootings in the States they just continue to hang onto this outdated right to bare arms.15 more people dead for no reason.
Its true that guns dont kill people, the person behind the trigger does, but guns make it so much easier to kill. You cant charge into a cinema with a baseball bat, bludgeon 15 people to death and wound 50 others. You'd be stopped before you got through the first person, a gun however makes it as simple as moving one finger to take a life. |
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With rights comes responsibility. With the right to bear arms comes the responsibility for doing so safely, along with the right to be able to drive a performance car etc etc.
Underlying all of these mass killings has been some festering hatred or mental illness. These people, in their own distorted world justify their actions and plan them....carefully. Restrictions on the availability of weapons may make it difficult for them...but they will find a way. |
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http://www.snopes.com/crime/statistics/ausguns.asp In any case, how many poor old shop owners would have had an automatic/semi auto or pump action weapon hidden under the counter? These were, after all, the weapons more tightly controlled by the new laws. I'll put an unsubstantiated comment out there myself to throw into the mix for consideration. I have heard that in the US the use of a firearm for defence against home invasion for example, often results in the firearm being tragically turned upon the home owner themselves. If so, maybe it's better that there was never a weapon in the equation in the first place to escalate the situation.
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Do a bit of REAL research rather than grabbing extremely spun propaganda off the internet. Who carried an automatic weapon, well I did as did many I know personally. Up until 2002 I used various S&W revolvers and for the last 10 years of so a Glock 19 and then a Glock 26. Howards laws did not "ban semi autos" as the spin doctors would like you to believe they took away the right to defend human life with a firearm but it is STILL legal in every state of Australia to defend MONEY with a firearm. Don't believe me? Rather that do the spin dance, download the weapons acts for each state and territory and look up the ACTUAL LAW. You may be VERY surprised..... |
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Just totally messed up going into a movie theatre and gunning people down WTF?
Out of the many things that worry me in this country I'm glad one of them isn't about the possibility of getting shot. Yes there have been dozens of shootings in Sydney this year but lets face it most of these houses are not getting shot up for ***** and gigs before anyone points it out. |
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yay its turned into a gun debate, and the expected stupid comments come from the pro-gun brigade
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Its not worth 15 innocent peoples lives in one afternoon so someone elsewhere can go shoot a deer. |
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Thanks flappist, the snopes link was purely to cite some of the misleading info out there, not to reference my comment about the general trends in gun related crime rates in Aus. It was material from the ABS and a 2008 document by the Australian Institute of Criminology I had read earlier which shaped those thoughts.
For what it's worth, I'm no gun hater. I spent time in the army blowing up stuff and getting qualified on as much equipment as I could lay my hands on. I loved every minute of it. I moved on from there to cull feral pests as a park ranger so I understand there are many applications. However there is a time and a place and I do think that there is a smarter way to address violent crime in Australia than to arm every Joe Bloggs. Thanks for your misunderstanding.
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So could you use that as a legal excuse to take a human life then? Someone broke into your house, you kill them with a firearm and claim you were defending cash you had lying around? |
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"many people who own guns, use them responsibly" thats a major understatement, i would think 99.999% are respsponsible. Guns service a important purpose that i don,t think that you understand, some of them are vermin control and to shoot a sick/injured animal and killing to eat food. We need guns. But maybe you can get your meat from the freezer. do you live a a city? I just got my gun license and there are many checks and verified paper work to prove that i need a gun. I,m sorry for the people in that shooting, but it was the madman that kill them, but maybe tightening gun laws might help in other countries. |
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but then your money and possessions are not as important as the money in the armaguard van, so you will need to use self defence as your reason - so don't shoot them in the head and then continue to pump them full of lead. once incapacitated, each bullet afterwards become a murder bullet |
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Norway has even tighter gun laws than Australia, how did that work out? This is always an emotional debate and trying to use logic to convince a gun hater that guns a place in ordinary society is no different that trying to convince Harold Scruby that performance cars have a place on our roads....... |
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I have been a TARGET shooter for 40yrs. NEVER killed an animal, bird, whatever.
In the vehicles I have owned in that 40yrs, I could not count the number of Roos, birds etc that have been killed. Which is the most dangerous "weapon'" |
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did you go out of your way to deliberately kill these said roos birds and other wildlife? and then try justify it by being mentally unstable? was the media all over each slaying broadcasting it to the world until the next media circus comes along? will politicians try play games with such tragedies to influence the publics opinion of them? Are these said slayings of ROOs birds and other wildlife the topic of discussion on forums all over the world?
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Simplistic logic says:
Ban guns - no-one dies from guns. Ban cars - no-one dies from cars. Can't argue about that logic? |
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The problem lays with the mind of those who get their hands on weapons.
You cant legislate against stupidity and people with mental issues. Banning guns full stop wont solve anything. The amount of social misfits out there just keeps increasing. And yes a lot of the time can probably be traced to bad parenting. One needs only look at how A LOT of people drive out there to see plenty of people with issues. (most seem to drive as if they were suicidal) Sadly you cant test people for their mental state
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So lets ban cars, cigarettes, soap, fast food, alcohol, and anything else that can accidently kill so pro gun nuts will feel okay about gun laws being further tightened to keep them out of the hands of any nutters. Last edited by UberKnee; 22-07-2012 at 10:24 PM. |
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how many people are maimed or just injured by guns compared to cars in australia how many people are kept awake at night due to gun fire compared to hoons in australia how many bullet holes are in signs or other things compared to status lines on the road in australia the rules we have for guns are good in my opinion - not perfect for either side, but i find it weird that car enthusiasts who complain about the way us easy targets are treated, then jump in to put down another easy target just because they don't have an interest in the activity |
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