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I got nothing from my dealer. Only Ford Australia.
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Join Date: May 2010
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Dealers aren't sending out anything. We have copies of that letter that we can give to customers when they come in.
We found out at the same time as the general public.. Bit lame on fords part. But then, can't trust that every dealer/rep won't talk to media etc. General Question- Everyone that's jumped on the "I will never buy a Ford again" bandwagon, if you were in charge of the company what would you do? Knowing the majority of buyers don't want large 6cyl RWD sedans(FACT). Would you try to give your workers and suppliers over 3 years notice to find other jobs and contracts? Btw, we're talking NEW cars here. After scrolling through i'd say that a fair chunk of the members on this forum have never bought a new falcon/falcon ute/territory. Why not? You could be supporting our industry, and Ford wouldn't have to shut down.
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Join Date: Dec 2004
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"people don't know what they want until you show it to them.” Basically - other manufacturers have been "showing" and "marketing" their products and making the public believe that they "WANT" a sardine tin with front wheel drive......... Ford locally could have countered by showing them why they don't....... |
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Join Date: May 2010
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The hardest part about selling an ecoboost is getting someone into the drivers seat and past that "4cyl phobia". Similar to when the xr6t first came out and everyone still had V8 imprinted into their brains as the only way to go fast. Once you're past that obstacle, full steam ahead. Lovely car to drive.
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Someone had an iPhone before Apple? Damn. Never knew about that one.
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Join Date: Dec 2004
Location: Central Queensland Coast
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People will/have to put themselves into hock to have a roof over their head, bring up families etc, but not for a car. I'm only just getting to the stage now when I can put some money away to get a new Ford, and hopefully I will get there. A new car is a luxury in my books, and I won't endanger my home to get one. Ed ![]()
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I have owned 1 new vehicle in my life, a Courier ute, From rebel Ford. I also bought a BA at the same time from the same dealer albeit 2yrs old, But still supporting the network. I have 4 kids who kick the crap out of the trim, a wife who aims for every defect in a roads surface and the ability to service my own cars, why would I buy new. Fwiw, people like me aren't your problem, you can rest assured knowing you wont find me in any other dealerships either. Its the people wandering through the Subaru, Hyundai, Mazda, VW, etc. etc. dealerships, they are your problem. You should reword your question. 'How many NEW car buyers on here have something other than a Falcon/territory in their stable' That would give some much clearer answers. |
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Called it something "exotic"? Something sounding exciting and appealing to our new breed of yuppies?
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Join Date: Jul 2010
Location: Central Coast
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It was a fairly long letter from the CEO of ford. Probably just a longer version of what was posted on the last page.Will post it up when I get home.
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Thats a very good point. Some people here place so much emphasis on Ford fans buying new Fords as the only way to support the company. But as you said, not everyone can be a new car buyer - not everyone should be a new car buyer. Many of us support Ford by buying second hand Fords, propping up their resale value in the process. Thats nothing to be dismissed, far more important to the big picture than many give it credit for imo |
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Join Date: Nov 2011
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Agree with above. Most European cars are bought new in this country. Why. Well once the warranty runs out things go wrong that cost more than the car to fix. Hence they are traded in at that point and the owner gets rid of them as quickly as someone who's just found a cobra in their house. Resale value for European cars (Citroen, Renault etc) is absolutely awful as their is no demand for them. Buying a second hand Ford helps keep the demand up and resale prices higher. Also fixing a Ford is cheap compared to imports. So buying a second hand Ford helps generate new car sales.
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a small bingle on an import typically writes it off as the cost of a front bumper plus airbags is exorbitant.
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Wouldn't ALL European cars be bought NEW here?
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AWD Assassin
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Comparo between the Falc , the Holden Volt , camry hybrid. Conclusion : falc is very good......for country driving. As a vehicle for city / suburban commuting....well.....it still uses too much fuel, especially just sitting idling in traffic. I guess a stop start idle management system was what they were referring to here ? Sometimes you just cant win. I wonder if ford ever considered this option.....even as a gimmick. Sounds like it would have marketed the product better than that idiot in the ad twirling his finger around his head and whistling. |
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335 - STILL THE BOSS ...
Join Date: Dec 2004
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Not all, there is a grey market in higher end euros such as Astons, Jags, Maseratis etc.
As far as the "out of warranty so nobody wants them" babble, a simple carsales search will show that this is not the case. Some cars hold value better than others. e.g. A 3 year old BMW 335i (2010) is about $60k and was $95k new. On the other hand a 3 year old FPV GTE 5.4 which was also almost $90k new is high $30s, low $40s. |
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Well, the writing has been on the wall for many years, you could see it in the way the local cars have been updated (or lack of).
I have always advocated that the Australian design and ideas are the best in the world, but we just don't have the market to suport making these ideas a reality. Holden have come close by sharing the platform and borrowing technology from other models. But even that is still hit and miss. The Territory was the better car, had the greater market interest, and was more relavent (especially with the TDV6). But it was neglected (due to the budget) and is still half assed even in it's best guise. I think this move is for the better, I am releived actually, and I think we will see much better imported options that will be closer to what we should have been building here. And if it is not RWD, not to worry there are still a lot of load hauling RWD options out there, most of them superior anyway in most areas (especially build quality and features). Sad day yes, but silver lining there for most of the country, just a few blue blooded fans to shrink quietly away as did the nameplate they lived and breathed. Maybe this will open their eyes to the other options out there, maybe even a few suprises! My thoughts go to the workers, but I beleive most will leave with money in their pocket and a good two years to find other work. |
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The falc got a good wrap.....but the overt message was that the Toyota Camry was the best overall package. What is perhaps bexoming clear here.....is that Ford really disnt need to justify the purchase of the ecoboost falcon to prospective 6 cyclinder falcon buyers.....maybe what they really needed to do was to justify it to prospective Camry buyers. I think Ecoboost missed the mark with its target audience ? |
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"Australian made car" includes such things as the Cruze, the Camry, the Camry Hybrid, Commodore, and others...not just Falcons. And looking at the dismal sales of Falcons, even given the pricing they've been using to try and shift them, do you think people would suddenly start buying something they hadn't bothered with before? The manufacturers do make cars that "the buying public wants"...and apparently they "want" smaller cars and mid sized SUV's these days. The only way it would work with Falcons is if they ditched the six cylinder and went strongly Ecoboost and diesel...that would be facing reality of the motoring world of today. People won't buy a big car just for the hell of it. |
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I was happy with the name when I bought a new BA and then again when I bought a new FG.
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335 - STILL THE BOSS ...
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Actually been dissappointed that the GT doesnt have the words Falcon on the back! If people do ask I say I have a Falcon anway .......
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I work at a company in the city and it never ceases to amaze me when i drive into the car park how Aussie cars are hardly owned by affluent city types these days. I'd say over 50% are Euro and the rest Jap, Korean etc.. I am certainly the only one driving a Falcon out of at least 300 cars.. Sad sad
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