Bronco reveal 13/7

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The 5.0 is a better engine for towing as it stays out of enrichment longer than the EB V6s
but if you tow SFA, then 2.7 EB is the go for good zip and better economy.

The 2.7 brings the peak torque earlier in the rev range than the 5.0 (2,750rpm vs 4,500rpm). The 2.7 has a compacted graphite iron block for durability and is rated to tow 8,500 lbs in the F150. I think it will offer a great balance of low cost, high performance, light weight, and good fuel economy.
Read this for more info on the 2.7L https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/20...twin-turbo-v-6

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by chevypower

The 2.7 brings the peak torque earlier in the rev range than the 5.0 (2,750rpm vs 4,500rpm). The 2.7 has a compacted graphite iron block for durability and is rated to tow 8,500 lbs in the F150. I think it will offer a great balance of low cost, high performance, light weight, and good fuel economy.
Read this for more info on the 2.7L https://www.wardsauto.com/engines/20...twin-turbo-v-6

I've seen a few highway towing fuel economy tests with F150 5.0 vs the 2.7 EB and the V8 uses less fuel.
It's also the reason why the 7.3 works so well in the Super Duty versus using an Ecoboost engine.g

[chevypower]

Originally Posted by jpd80

I've seen a few steady towing fuel economy tests with F150 5.0 vs the 2.7 EB and the V8 uses less fuel.
It's also the reason why the 7.3 works so well in the Super Duty versus using an Ecoboost engine.

10.3:1 compression ratio for the 2.7, 12:1 for the 5.0 so the towing fuel economy doesn’t surprise me, with no boost. Especially at altitude, where TFL tester them), where the naturally aspirated engine will run lean with a lower density. I think the 2.7 will be a lot of fun in the Bronco though. Supposedly the Warthog will get the 3.0 or 3.5.

[DFB FGXR6]

With the success Ford has had with taking the Mustang global, I can't understand why they have decided to make both Bronco and Bronco Sport for the US market only.

An iconic, well recognized name with great design, this could have been a good way for Ford to extend their reach in markets outside the US. How many people were drawn to Ford showrooms because of the Mustang that would otherwise never considered a Ford? The same thing could have played out with Bronco. Instead, we get the invisible Escape and the huge Everest.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

The 5.0 is a better engine for towing as it stays out of enrichment longer than the EB V6s
but if you tow SFA, then 2.7 EB is the go for good zip and better economy.

Kind of irrelevant for Bronco though. No ones buying it over an F series to haul big loads.

[Bossxr8]

Hitlers take on the Bronco.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

Release the Hemi Concept. It's all we have

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Kind of irrelevant for Bronco though. No ones buying it over an F series to haul big loads.

Back a page, it was mentioned that EB V6 is more popular in F150 than the V8 Coyote,
I think that there's a place for both but yes, in Bronco a 2.7 or 3.0 EB is one tough package.
Also, it makes adding something like the 3.0 V6 diesel much easier.......

Not many people would say no to a 5.0 Bronco though......

[Bossxr8]

Must be going gangbusters. They have had to double the allocation of First Edition models, after the first batch sold out within hours.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Must be going gangbusters. They have had to double the allocation of First Edition models, after the first batch sold out within hours.

I know someone who works at Michigan AP, Ford took 12weeks reservations in four days
and he's thinking they will be doing lots of Super Saturdays next year, lots of OT.

[Sprintey]

Recently there's been new Expedition, Aviator, worldwide Mustang, now there's new F-Series, Mustang Mach E, Bronco family - Ford is on a roll!

Please bring the lot to Oz.....

[simon varley]

Originally Posted by DFB FGXR6

With the success Ford has had with taking the Mustang global, I can't understand why they have decided to make both Bronco and Bronco Sport for the US market only.

there are real engineering reasons why no RHD. There is also a LHD for China so while it is not global, it's not quite true to say US only.

oh, and they sell in Canada too

[XR Martin]

Just noticed they have a panhard rod rear suspension.
Is watts link no good for offroad?

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Just noticed they have a panhard rod rear suspension.
Is watts link no good for offroad?

Panhard Rod has better low speed articulation when crawling over rocks,
the watts linkage is a much better performer at higher speeds/cornering.

[XR Martin]

Trying to think what Fords had a rear Panhard rod in the past?
Can't be many.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by XR Martin

Trying to think what Fords had a rear Panhard rod in the past?
Can't be many.

2005-2014 Mustang springs to mind, some earlier Explorers with leaf springs had one as well.

[Bossxr8]

Apparently reservations have already exceeded 230,000. Wow.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Apparently reservations have already exceeded 230,000. Wow.

In Q2 financial report, Ford mentioned at least 150,000 reservations with North America chief
expecting Ford to sell hundreds of thousands per year and looking to increase production plans.

[anobserver]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Apparently reservations have already exceeded 230,000. Wow.

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...id-2022-125457

With this volume, i guess rhd is unnecessary.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by anobserver

https://www.carsales.com.au/editoria...id-2022-125457

With this volume, i guess rhd is unnecessary.

While the Americans probably wouldn't entertain building RHD production line versions,
right across the railroad tracks is the old Wayne assembly plant that's currently being
converted to a big mod centre, I wonder if there's an opportunity for Ford to do in-house
RHD conversions that would not disrupt the production line and also give Ford all of the
extra income from conversions before vehicles are exported.

It's a long shot I know but it might be a way to get limited supply and see how things go.

[DFB FGXR6]

A great interview with Bronco chief designer Paul Wraith.

http://www.autoline.tv/journal/?p=69539

Both the Bronco and Bronco Sport are quite thoughtfully designed, so sad Ford didn't go out on a limb and commit to worldwide availability.

[jpd80]

Ford US has just released that Bronco has reached 165,000 reservations, noting that number was reached in just three weeks.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Ford US has just released that Bronco has reached 165,000 reservations, noting that number was reached in just three weeks.

Staggering numbers. It's really hit the sweet spot. Jeep must be spewing.

I saw this comment and nearly wet myself.



Getting it right was well worth the effort. So far, the Bronco and Bronco Sport have received accolades from many circles – from the press and off-road enthusiasts, to Ford owners and future customers – who have clamored to the Bronco website to reserve the next big thing in off-road vehicles.

“It’s tough bringing back an icon,” Hoffman said. “You have to do it right, otherwise you wind up with a Chevy Blazer.”

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Staggering numbers. It's really hit the sweet spot. Jeep must be spewing.

I saw this comment and nearly wet myself.



Getting it right was well worth the effort. So far, the Bronco and Bronco Sport have received accolades from many circles – from the press and off-road enthusiasts, to Ford owners and future customers – who have clamored to the Bronco website to reserve the next big thing in off-road vehicles.

“It’s tough bringing back an icon,” Hoffman said. “You have to do it right, otherwise you wind up with a Chevy Blazer.”

They were planning a second shift at launch but maybe they need to consider three?
The word so far was perhaps lots of Super Saturdays to help getting so many orders out.

I can't believe that GM made the Blazer a unitary soft roader, woulda been perfect name
to relaunch the mid-sized Hummer H2 as GMC Blazer.


Just on no RHD Bronco, maybe Ford has something really good planned for Everest,
a similar body to Bronco or even new Defender but with equipment and features that
are more in keeping with our market expectations.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

They were planning a second shift at launch but maybe they need to consider three?
The word so far was perhaps lots of Super Saturdays to help getting so many orders out.

I can't believe that GM made the Blazer a unitary soft roader, woulda been perfect name
to relaunch the mid-sized Hummer H2 as GMC Blazer.


Just on no RHD Bronco, maybe Ford has something really good planned for Everest,
a similar body to Bronco or even new Defender but with equipment and features that
are more in keeping with our market expectations.

The biggest engine in the Blazer is a 1.3 litre

What a way to ruin an iconic nameplate.

Apparently the new Everest looks insane. They are expecting big things with the new styling direction for it.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

The biggest engine in the Blazer is a 1.3 litre

What a way to ruin an iconic nameplate.

Apparently the new Everest looks insane. They are expecting big things with the new styling direction for it.

I know, that's why I've been "baiting" certain folks recently regarding the current style,
a lot of the criticisms levelled at Ranger and Everest are being answered big time and
it sounds like Ford has finally found its teeth...

[Bossxr8]

Jeep are worried. Had to send this out to Jeep dealers to reassure them it's all going to be ok

https://fordauthority.com/2020/08/je...1-ford-bronco/

Jeep Tries To Reassure Dealers That Its Wrangler Can Compete Against The 2021 Ford Bronco
by Brett Foote
August 21, 2020, 7:39 am



From day one, it was abundantly clear that the 2021 Ford Bronco was aimed directly at its only real competitor, the Jeep Wrangler. And since the new Bronco was revealed last month, most have already declared it the winner, nearly a year before the first deliveries are scheduled to take place. But you can’t blame Jeep for trying to reassure its dealers that the Wrangler isn’t dead just yet, which is what it has apparently tried to do via a recent memo.

[jpd80]

Originally Posted by Bossxr8

Jeep are worried. Had to send this out to Jeep dealers to reassure them it's all going to be ok

https://fordauthority.com/2020/08/je...1-ford-bronco/

Jeep Tries To Reassure Dealers That Its Wrangler Can Compete Against The 2021 Ford Bronco
by Brett Foote
August 21, 2020, 7:39 am



From day one, it was abundantly clear that the 2021 Ford Bronco was aimed directly at its only real competitor, the Jeep Wrangler. And since the new Bronco was revealed last month, most have already declared it the winner, nearly a year before the first deliveries are scheduled to take place. But you can’t blame Jeep for trying to reassure its dealers that the Wrangler isn’t dead just yet, which is what it has apparently tried to do via a recent memo.

Jeep are worried alright, how do you compete with an iconic brand name like Bronco
that already has massive reservations near twelve months before Job 1.

The same nervousness is there with the new Ram TRX and it's 702 HP supercharged V8,
Ram wants to call it a slam dunk winner but Ford is making them sweat withholding details
and letting the internet speculation go wild imagining how the Raptor will ace Ram's baby.
Again, how does Ram compete with that, they can't while Ford holds court.

I'm sure that execs at Jeep and Ram will be sweating bullets waiting for Ford's responses
to their vehicles, I have a hunch that Ford's powertrain a will be the difference that matters.

[Bossxr8]

Originally Posted by jpd80

Jeep are worried alright, how do you compete with an iconic brand name like Bronco
that already has massive reservations near twelve months before Job 1.

The same nervousness is there with the new Ram TRX and it's 702 HP supercharged V8,
Ram wants to call it a slam dunk winner but Ford is making them sweat withholding details
and letting the internet speculation go wild imagining how the Raptor will ace Ram's baby.
Again, how does Ram compete with that, they can't while Ford holds court.

I'm sure that execs at Jeep and Ram will be sweating bullets waiting for Ford's responses
to their vehicles, I have a hunch that Ford's powertrain a will be the difference that matters.

I did find Jeeps point about the Wrangler being better, because it's been in production for so long, rather amusing. It also explains why the Wrangler is such a POS to drive, cause it has had no competition for so long. They really didn't need to do much to it for it to sell. But it has left them poorly placed now cause they just did a new one, and it's miles behind now. It's good off-road, but terrible on road. Wanders around like it's driving through a gale, when there is no wind. Awful road manners. The Bronco is as good, if not better off road (more ground clearance, bigger tyres, better wheel travel) as well as being miles better on road. It actually drives in a straight line on a bumpy road.

Then they also try to say it's better because they have a concept Wrangler with a V8, that hasn't even been confirmed for production

It's not the 1970's any more. It is cool that they put V8's in a lot of things, but things have moved on and the majority have moved past that now. How many V8 Wranglers would they expect to even sell? 2 fifths of f all really. It's a niche, within a niche, within a niche.

[jpd80]

Jim Farley is a car guy, so I expect it will take him some time but I wonder if he'll take a few more
"Good Risks" on value adding products that cash in on all the positive atmosphere around Bronco

I'd love to see Ford have a crack at Defender using NG T6, it's near on Explorer size but might be
one of those global products that work equally well in the US. Something that makes Jeep wig out.

[Nikked]

The press release about the history of the Jeep is rather amusing when you consider Ford had elements of it own design in the Willys MB...and both companies heavily relied on the orginal Bantam design.