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Yeah, China doesn't have enough land.
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Look, let's get back to basics. The basic is the $ or other iterations of the same.
For China to invade Australia would cost? More than what it is worth on the stock exchange. They get our ore for a song anyway. While our Allies appear to be on the back foot, now might be the time for Australia to implement some sort of National Service. Hell, it doesn't have to be the full bottle, even a Dads Army kinda thing would do. Just a few months military training, boys and girls (and mums and dads) would suddenly turn Australia into a fortress. If 50% of our population knows how to fire a weapon and take orders, only a thermo nuclear attack would decide the game.
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Yeah, that sounds way more effective than F-35s.
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Australia is a bloody great island, many thousands of miles from the protagonists you suggest. Hence why it makes sense to be friends with the bloke who has the most powerful navy in the world. They wouldn’t be able to land a cracker, the US Navy would cut them to pieces. Chinese aircraft carriers? Bwahahaha. After we sold them the Melbourne for scrap, they kept it and studied it so they learn how to make one. |
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But just for lols, what are you suggesting we arm this Dad’s army with? Muskets & Bayonets, or should we just go with pointy sticks? In a conflict with anyone more powerful than Fiji, the LAST thing Australia can do is fight a protracted land-war. Even in the unlikely event of a full-scale invasion, by say, Indonesia, our strategy would be one of containment & harassment, whilst cutting their supply lines and killing most of them before they even stepped ashore. Plus at the same time destroying their ports, airfields, and refineries, and dropping the SAS in to say “hello.” |
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Simply redraw the Brisbane Line.
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Personally I like Madayas idea, I myself think every one should do compulsory national service for a couple of years........... but at the very least everyone capable should be at least be able to load and fire a gun.
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SAS first role in the invasion scenario is to set up and train resistance forces, conduct intelligence missions and harras and attack the enemy on home ground. |
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Wolverines!
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Loading and firing a gun is simple, took me seconds to learn. Operating complex weapons or equipment takes a bit longer. Following orders (=discipline) is the key. I don't think a couple of years national service is essential. Lets face it, most people do not fit the bill and it would be a huge drain on our budget and for the most time, the guys and gals would be sitting around doing not much at all. Just thoughts.
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Suddenly the F-35's capabilities increase.
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Defining capable is a whole new story........ and will open a whole lot of issues.
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This is very very interesting and shows whats in store for future conflicts, highly recommend anyone interested in this topic: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sNRMO70Hw0s
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What do you do about those SAM's? Your enemy has them scattered everywhere, what a pain in the *** they would be, mobility means they can be moved anywhere, and the range they now have is scary on it's own.
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Still don't know why oz is buying f35s. Single engine fighters were frowned upon after the raaf had the mirage. F22s make more sense. Maybe planners are looking at stol 'b' models for the future mini ran carriers.
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#139 | ||
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so tell me how bad are those harriers, their all single engine.
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Jet turbine engines are significantly more reliable these days so cannot be compared to years ago. Twin engines virtually doubles the maintenance costs.
As mentioned many times, F22s were out of the question, not being available for sale outside the US. |
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I would have thought if Australia had requested f22s we would be granted purchase of them.
As for harriers, what foreign operators do with their inventory is up to them. One of the reasons we bought hornets was because of our experience with single engined mirages. |
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that are still in active service in the Pakistan military..
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As mentioned, reliability of these cannot be compared to current jet turbine engines. |
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twin 302's in Y configuration with shared afterburner were used. and in full service, sold around 1990 to the pakkies. that again are still fully operational. trust me I worked on these puppie's now all RAAF are using pratt & whittney. avionics will still be done by GRM..
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when we were building in fishermens bend under licence.
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Should just buy a bunch of Malaysian Air Boeings if they want the ability to not be seen by radar.
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Hahaha! I like this, but come on give them a go, these will turn out to be fantastic once they iron out all the bugs.
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