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**cs123** · 06-12-2021, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I love it how the MSM (Travelling Circus) say hundreds or just thousands of people attend these protests.

Anyone that has been to an AFL grand final knows what I'm talking about. They appear to be gaining in size and that's not including the people that have other obligations or commitments, or the folks that just CBF.

It's like the 2021 version of a Chickenpox party. They should organise sleepovers too.

**russellw** · 06-12-2021, 09:46 AM

NSW/VIC
NSW records 273 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0216 (from 1.0207) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend line.

VIC records 1,078 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 0.9919 (from 0.9906) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.

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**russellw** · 06-12-2021, 11:41 AM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT December 5th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,256 new cases for Australia and 8 deaths so the CMR is 0.941%.

108 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.361%.

The UK had 42,285 cases yesterday and 54 deaths for a CMR of 1.391%.

56,742 new cases in the USA yesterday and 492 deaths sees CMR at 1.619%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 265M, the last 1M in 2 days;

No countries
.... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

CoupeKing · 06-12-2021, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by cs123

It's like the 2021 version of a Chickenpox party. They should organise sleepovers too.

I had Chickenpox when I was in year ten and was advised to stay home for two weeks, that's how deadly it was.

**GasoLane** · 06-12-2021, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I had Chickenpox when I was in year ten and was advised to stay home for two weeks, that's how deadly it was.

Somewhat like they tell you to do with Covid, quarantine for two weeks then.

Itsme · 06-12-2021, 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by GasoLane

Somewhat like they tell you to do with Covid, quarantine for two weeks then.

Right on cue.

T3rminator · 06-12-2021, 04:58 PM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Burundi has a annual GDP of $3.2 billion dollars, Australia spent $3.2 billion dollars for 126 million doses of vaccines for Covid-19 and our population is 26 million, so even 3 vaccinations per person only adds up to 78 million, so we have a spare 48 million doses that would triple vaccinate the whole of Burundi and that is where the threat should be contained, but our Prime Minister is lost in his own heads pace, why can't we dispose of these extra vaccines into the arms of of the occupants of other countries, apparently we ( Australians ) did agree with other rich countries to help stop the spread of this insidious illness/virus before it spreads outside to the rest of the world!..

It has been rumoured that part of the secretive T&Cs of the deals is that countries with excess doses can't donate them to other countries, without the explicit approval of Pfizer. You can buy doses for other countries, like through COVAX, but you can't give your excess away. I'm assuming you can onsell, like Poland did. $$$$$$

I still feel that AZ got stitched up hard. Pfizer costs 76p to make, "excluding research and distribution"....and probably anti marketing campaign against the likes of AZ I reckon (all IMHO).

‘Wall of secrecy’ in Pfizer contracts as company accused of profiteering

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...f-profiteering

Citroënbender · 06-12-2021, 05:25 PM

Too right that AstraZeneca was done over. Once again, the Australian population rushed towards a “fully imported” product over local content. We have form in this, is the best one could say.

Covid related, the specialist I saw this morning was venting about deferrals and disruptions to scheduled checkups and (deemed) less essential procedures. Moreso that every time the problem presented a slightly different facet the doctors were all drawn into meetings and more diversion from actually clearing the backlog. He was not a happy bunny about this; you could see he felt it was stopping him from improving lives.

slowsnake · 06-12-2021, 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by CoupeKing

I had Chickenpox when I was in year ten and was advised to stay home for two weeks, that's how deadly it was.

An old mate of mine who was a truck driver, well he had to have a chest xray, he was about 50, they found some anomalies in both lungs, non smoker, but both lungs were scarred by something, not cancer but something else, they were concerned a bit by it but he was very fit and healthy, spiromitry tests were all fine, they worked out it was scarring from a bout of chickenpox when he was 10 years old.

slowsnake · 06-12-2021, 11:45 PM

Australian scientists seem to have discovered a cause for Omicron?
It's a long but very informative read!

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...e=abc_news_web

EgoFG · 07-12-2021, 03:12 AM

So Just because I want to poke the bear -

Why did the world get so offended at people talking about Hydroxychloroquin, Azithromycin and Ivermectim as potential treatment options for Covid-19 ?

Surely a drug that is well established in human usage, with few, and well understood side effects, that anecdotally offer some help to some people, should be allowed, even offered as a treatment by doctor/patient agreement.
And yet the world stepped in and said do not even try it or we will ridicule you.

I heard one analysis said that the reason that these treatments worked is that they helped the body cope with undiagnosed minor comorbidities, leaving you in a better position to fight the virus
But whatever the reasoning, why forbid a cheap, relatively harmless treatment ?

I have grapefruit every day, when I offered some to a relative they said they could not have it because they were on blood pressure meds. I did some research and found that the reason for this was that the effect of the grapefruit would be to amplify the effect of blood pressure meds (and cholesterol meds too). Interestingly I do not have blood pressure problems, or cholesterol problems, even though those younger than me in my immediate family do, and I am also overweight. I am now never wanting to get off the grapefruit - I do not care that the medical community does not prescribe grapefruit for these ailments. (Please not if you have these issues, do not consider this to be medical advice)

Ill admit that grapefruit is likely a lot more harmless than Hydroxychloroquin, Azithromycin and Ivermectim, but still why would we so vehemently object to them - with an almost religious fervor ?

oldel · 07-12-2021, 04:18 AM

Why did people object to the vaccines - with an almost religious fervor, that lead them onto such alternative treatments - that likewise they'd never heard of before either, had done no personal research on but it became acceptable in their social groups?

Tribalism. Since the dawn of time it's got dumb ***** killed. For this pandemic people made the mistake of caring; I guess they learnt the lesson not to in future. I don't care anymore.

**Cav** · 07-12-2021, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

So Just because I want to poke the bear -

Why did the world get so offended at people talking about Hydroxychloroquin, Azithromycin and Ivermectim as potential treatment options for Covid-19 ?

Surely a drug that is well established in human usage, with few, and well understood side effects, that anecdotally offer some help to some people, should be allowed, even offered as a treatment by doctor/patient agreement.
And yet the world stepped in and said do not even try it or we will ridicule you.

I heard one analysis said that the reason that these treatments worked is that they helped the body cope with undiagnosed minor comorbidities, leaving you in a better position to fight the virus
But whatever the reasoning, why forbid a cheap, relatively harmless treatment ?

I have grapefruit every day, when I offered some to a relative they said they could not have it because they were on blood pressure meds. I did some research and found that the reason for this was that the effect of the grapefruit would be to amplify the effect of blood pressure meds (and cholesterol meds too). Interestingly I do not have blood pressure problems, or cholesterol problems, even though those younger than me in my immediate family do, and I am also overweight. I am now never wanting to get off the grapefruit - I do not care that the medical community does not prescribe grapefruit for these ailments. (Please not if you have these issues, do not consider this to be medical advice)

Ill admit that grapefruit is likely a lot more harmless than Hydroxychloroquin, Azithromycin and Ivermectim, but still why would we so vehemently object to them - with an almost religious fervor ?

In a word - Trump

oldel · 07-12-2021, 04:59 AM

Yep, and covid wasn't serious. It went away after the election just like he said it would too anyway. And it was only a political ploy to make him look bad, and he made the vaccines happen too don't you know. You should take them he said as well.

b0son · 07-12-2021, 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

Why did the world get so offended at people talking about Hydroxychloroquin, Azithromycin and Ivermectim as potential treatment options for Covid-19 ?

Because the people talking the loudest about them were doing so looking for a reason to avoid vaccinating. I dont know any health system in a developed nation anywhere that would preach treatment over prevention, least of all in a pandemic.

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Surely a drug that is well established in human usage, with few, and well understood side effects

Wasnt the effective dose of ivermectin well above what had been tested for its traditional use? Levels at which adverse reactions started to become a factor?

slowsnake · 07-12-2021, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by EgoFG

So Just because I want to poke the bear -

Why did the world get so offended at people talking about Hydroxychloroquin, Azithromycin and Ivermectim as potential treatment options for Covid-19 ?

Surely a drug that is well established in human usage, with few, and well understood side effects, that anecdotally offer some help to some people, should be allowed, even offered as a treatment by doctor/patient agreement.
And yet the world stepped in and said do not even try it or we will ridicule you.

I heard one analysis said that the reason that these treatments worked is that they helped the body cope with undiagnosed minor comorbidities, leaving you in a better position to fight the virus
But whatever the reasoning, why forbid a cheap, relatively harmless treatment ?

I have grapefruit every day, when I offered some to a relative they said they could not have it because they were on blood pressure meds. I did some research and found that the reason for this was that the effect of the grapefruit would be to amplify the effect of blood pressure meds (and cholesterol meds too). Interestingly I do not have blood pressure problems, or cholesterol problems, even though those younger than me in my immediate family do, and I am also overweight. I am now never wanting to get off the grapefruit - I do not care that the medical community does not prescribe grapefruit for these ailments. (Please not if you have these issues, do not consider this to be medical advice)

Ill admit that grapefruit is likely a lot more harmless than Hydroxychloroquin, Azithromycin and Ivermectim, but still why would we so vehemently object to them - with an almost religious fervor ?

Last year when there was a movie being made on the Gold Coast Qld, a very well known American movie star and his wife were very lucky to survive having Covid-19, which they had before they arrived here in Australia, they both survived, but both were very ill, the wife of this movie star was given hydroxychloroquin, she complained to all and sundry when they arrived back in America!....ALIVE....

**russellw** · 07-12-2021, 10:26 AM

NSW/VIC
NSW records 260 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.0339 (from 1.0216) while the actual line remains above the predictive trend line.

VIC records 1,185 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate increases to 1.00999 (from 0.9919) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.

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Week 21 in Victoria ended today with 111,506 cases to date compared to 20,125 at the same point of the 2020 outbreak (which was over at this point) and 73,186 for the NSW 2021 outbreak. Weekly case numbers see Victoria with 5x more cases than NSW last week and overall case numbers for Victoria are up by 344 on last week. Note that we are comparing historical data for NSW with current data for Victoria as NSW is about 3.5 weeks ahead.

**FairmontGS** · 07-12-2021, 11:16 AM

Victoria's border rules 'inhumane'

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By Chanel Zagon10:42

Victoria's Ombudsman has labelled the state's border permit scheme that prevented thousands of Victorians from returning home from COVID-19 hotspots earlier this year as "inhumane".

The report, tabled in the Victorian Parliament today, investigated the decision-making under the Victorian Border Crossing Permit Directions in place during Victoria's border restrictions.

Ombudsman Deborah Glass said decisions that led to thousands of Victorians being locked out of their own state had been some of the most questionable she had seen in her whole career.

"The effect of a complex and constrained bureaucracy meant some outcomes were downright unjust, even inhumane," she said.

"If there is a next time – we cannot let this happen again."

https://www.9news.com.au/national/au...9-901e9024601c

Citroënbender · 07-12-2021, 11:46 AM

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"If there is a next time – we cannot let this happen again."

In the context of these words coming from a Mt Scopus alumni, it is no lightweight statement.

07-12-2021, 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by slowsnake

Last year when there was a movie being made on the Gold Coast Qld, a very well known American movie star and his wife were very lucky to survive having Covid-19, which they had before they arrived here in Australia, they both survived, but both were very ill, the wife of this movie star was given hydroxychloroquin, she complained to all and sundry when they arrived back in America!....ALIVE....

But thousands in australia have recovered without hydroxychloroquine and clinical trials have shown it has no benefit

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...lized-covid-19

slowsnake · 07-12-2021, 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Citroënbender

In the context of these words coming from a Mt Scopus alumni, it is no lightweight statement.

It's happening all the time CB, and coming from Deborah Glass means that it's "coming from Deborah Glass" no more or less, I have had a lot of interaction with State and Commonwealth Ombudsmen and not all of it was positive!
In fact I wondered how these so called "Alumni" ended up in such a prestigious position?

slowsnake · 07-12-2021, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by leesa

But thousands in australia have recovered without hydroxychloroquine and clinical trials have shown it has no benefit

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...lized-covid-19

That's what she said!.....ALIVE and well back in good old US of A!

Trevor 57 · 07-12-2021, 12:17 PM

I haven't been in for a while, but thought I would give you an update, my daughter (with an immune system issue) and my grand-daughter have COVID (RCH Melb on standby for her if she gets bad) , diagnosed late last week, my son-in-law also has it but it a-symptomatic, 2 other kids in the house with nothing yet, but were tested again this morning

My daughter had to have some infusion that took 4 hours due to her immune system, she has to monitor her oxygen levels and my grand-daughters oxygen levels every couple of hours

But for some tools "this is all a conspiracy" - ****ing idiots

07-12-2021, 12:23 PM

Sorry to hear, Trevor. Fingers crossed for a speedy recovery.

slowsnake · 07-12-2021, 12:36 PM

I wondered where you got to Trev, hope everything turns out well for you and your family, and hope everyone is better come Christmas Day!.....

**russellw** · 07-12-2021, 12:54 PM

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT December 6th 2021.

Note: As not all Australian States report at the same time, the data below is based on the previous full day reporting.

1,281 new cases for Australia and 6 deaths so the CMR is 0.938%.

136 new cases and no deaths for NZ so CMR is 0.357%.

The UK had 50,850 cases yesterday and 41 deaths for a CMR of 1.385%.

100,898 new cases in the USA yesterday and 809 deaths sees CMR at 1.618%.

Other notable points:
The USA passes 50M cases;

San Marino (238); and
Denmark (7,146);

.... recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

No countries move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

07-12-2021, 02:31 PM

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...pped/100679152

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Nurse accused of faking teenager's COVID-19 vaccination has fraud charge dropped by police
Ms Benz was granted bail but today, when she made her second appearance in court, the police prosecutor said the charge was being withdrawn.

No reason was given to the court.

Ms Benz was awarded $1,500 to cover her legal costs, including her application for bail, before being told she was free to go.

That really doesn't send a message to deter others

Itsme · 07-12-2021, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by leesa

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...pped/100679152

That really doesn't send a message to deter others

Well you are innocent until proven guilty, obviously the police prosecutor never had enough evidence to proceed with.

zilo · 07-12-2021, 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by leesa

But thousands in australia have recovered without hydroxychloroquine and clinical trials have shown it has no benefit

https://www.nih.gov/news-events/news...lized-covid-19

Rubbish.

I stoppedd reading at the first paragraph...

"Though found not to cause harm, early findings in June when the trial was stopped...blah blah blah"

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zilo · 07-12-2021, 09:57 PM

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Originally Posted by leesa

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2021-12-...pped/100679152

I don't believe the ABC anymore.
If charges were dropped then there was no case to answer.

No deterrent required.