Covid 19 -

[roddy1960]

Originally Posted by slowsnake

So Hillsong Church again flaunts the law and holds a summer camp for youth, and they knew certain restrictions were in place for such gatherings, and they get a police caution, no fine imposed, wonder if ScuMo stuck his beak in, or the police were too scared to offend in case they were hauled over the coals, we all have to comply, why is it Sports people, and certain charismatics are protected

Bloody disgrace I agree ...Between this mob and the Djokovic debacle it makes you wonder why the vast majority who have endured lockdowns , QR Codes , social distancing , mask wearing etc etc to limit spread don't want to take these nutters including anti vaxxers round the back of the shed and give them a few home truths .

Just watched the Serbian President slinging off at Australia (the Prime Minister of Serbia was the opposite) about how Djokovic has been so hard done by etc etc... How about explaining Mr big mouthy President why this role model of a citizen of your country lied and misled and blamed others for his own obviously wrong view of this disease that is killing Australians every day .

That Mr President, of Serbia is why the vast majority of Aussies want the Novaks of the world brought down to size and made to take responsibility for their actions ..

If ever there was a sports person full of his own self importance it's this bloke.. Don't get angry about much these days but if he is allowed to stay and play it'll be the biggest balls up and travesty of due process and an insult to all those families in this country who have lost loved ones from Covid ..

[slowsnake]

I would love to tell you my story regarding Hillsong indirectly, cost me my job which I loved, but not Covid-19 related, in 2000 with CSR Gyprock Wetherill Park

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by FoxtrotGolfXray 5.0

An update on my pcr test which I took Wednesday last week (5th Jan). Received this text this morning:



Dear CRAIG

Your COVID-19 PCR sample collected 05/01/2022 is no longer suitable for processing and no result can be provided.

It is recommended you undertake a COVID-19 rapid antigen test (RAT), or self-quarantine for 7 days post your first test date.

For information on what to do if you test positive and for contacts, please visit https://www.coronavirus.vic.gov.au/checklist-cases

Message from Australian Clinical Labs

Ref: 22-62568470



Well, as you know I've had a RAT which returned a negative result, but because I was symptomatic (still have mild symptoms now) I decided to take the PCR as a precaution. There's no point in following the advice to isolate for 7 days from the test date: it's been 10!



So, whilst I think it is unlikely, it is possible that I have covid and have been out and about in the community, although I've tried to limit my time somewhat.



The system is not coping well with the omicron wave.

Apparently the quickest way to find out if you have covid is to cough on a politician and see what result they get the next day.

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 48,768 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0716 (from 1.1457) while the actual line is well above the predictive trend line.



VIC records 25,526 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.1929 (from 1.2183) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



Queensland (23,630) and South Australia (5,679) set new daily highs yesterday (14/1).

Finally, here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st. Note that Queensland numbers are a day behind the other two States.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 14th 2022.

137,774 new cases for Australia and 56 deaths so the CMR is 0.168%.

NZ recorded 60 cases and 0 deaths for a CMR of 0.348%.

The UK recorded 98,578 cases and 270 deaths for a CMR of 1.006%. That’s the first day <100k cases in three weeks.

850,087 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,147 deaths sees CMR at 1.332%.

Other notable points:
Global cases pass 323M (+3M on yesterday);
Global cases record a 3rd consecutive day over 3M cases;
South America sets a new daily high with 333,744cases on 13/1;
Europe passes 102M cases;
Asia passes 89M cases;
North America passes 77M cases;
The UK passes 15M cases;
Spain passes 8M cases;

Albania (2,179);
Bosnia (3,162);
Paraguay (4,145);
Saudi Arabia (5,628);
Kazakhstan (10,418);
Ecuador (9,278);
Norway (12,360);
Bolivia (14,160);
Peru (33,360) on 13/1;
Colombia (34,923) – the previous high (33,594) on 6/6/21;
Philippines (37,207);
Netherlands (35,452): and
Argentina (139,853)

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Nepal and Uzbekistan move above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and no countries drop below.

[russellw]

During the last 15 days, global CMR's have mostly been dropping (finally) with the global average now at 1.713% compared to 1.891% in the previous period and 2.259% a year ago today.

Case number continue to skyrocket with 35M in the last 15 days compared to 14.38M in the previous period with 103,594 deaths in the last 15 days for a CMR of 0.296% on an unadjusted basis. That's only slightly more than the 97,939 in the previous period despite the increase in cases although the adjusted CMR based on the previous period case numbers is not so healthy at 0.721% but that's far from an exact science.

Note that 'adjusted' CMR uses the case numbers from between 16 and 30 days ago and the mortalities from the last 15 days

Overall the increase in cases numbers was 10.8% but the variance in the number of deaths only 1.9% so that's a positive sign.

Countries (with <100k cases) that were well above that growth rate are headed by Australia (+74.3%); Finland (+29.9%), Ireland (+26.9%); Italy (+26.6%); France (+26.5%), Greece (+25.8%); Cyprus and Denmark (+24.7%); Portugal (+23.4%); Spain (+22.2%); Switzerland (+21.2%) and Norway (20.6%). The USA +15.7%) and UK (+14.1%) weren't quite as bad.

Very few countries saw their mortalities increase by much with only South Korea (+11.1%), Australia (+13.1%) and Laos (+21.8%) having double digit growth amongst countries with >100k cases.

[roddy1960]

No matter what happens today in the Federal Court there will be a lot of very unhappy , dis-satisfied people. It'll be protests either way the decision goes and the great event will be tainted in 2022 for the same reasons.

I'd like to think that common sense will prevail and Djokovic , the Victorian and Federal Governments and Tennis Australia will find common ground , do the right thing , and put the sport and the great event at the front .

Somehow I think that this will be very unlikely .

[LG17]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

No matter what happens today in the Federal Court there will be a lot of very unhappy , dis-satisfied people. It'll be protests either way the decision goes and the great event will be tainted in 2022 for the same reasons.

I'd like to think that common sense will prevail and Djokovic , the Victorian and Federal Governments and Tennis Australia will find common ground , do the right thing , and put the sport and the great event at the front .

Somehow I think that this will be very unlikely .

There would have been none of this if a certain person had simply thought of his fellow man and had a vaccination. He knows his job takes him to all corners of the earth and if he had a thought about anyone other than himself ...

[MrEL]

Originally Posted by roddy1960

No matter what happens today in the Federal Court there will be a lot of very unhappy , dis-satisfied people. It'll be protests either way the decision goes and the great event will be tainted in 2022 for the same reasons.

I'd like to think that common sense will prevail and Djokovic , the Victorian and Federal Governments and Tennis Australia will find common ground , do the right thing , and put the sport and the great event at the front .

Somehow I think that this will be very unlikely .

He can tell his story walking.
How many thousand people and businesses have suffered by following the rules in Australia over the last couple of years?
Then this clown thinks he can just do what he wants.
The next card he will try and play will be he is a political refugee because he may be gaoled in Serbia for breaking Covid rules.

[slowsnake]

Book im Danno.....

[slowsnake]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Apparently the quickest way to find out if you have covid is to cough on a politician and see what result they get the next day.

Good one T3, I like that!......

[russellw]

Australia
NSW records 34,660 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0428 (from 1.0716) while the actual line is now below the predictive trend line.



VIC records 28,128 cases in the current period and the 10-day average growth rate decreases to 1.0207 (from 1.0297) while the actual line remains below the predictive trend.



No States set new daily highs yesterday (15/1).

Finally, here is the predictive trend graph for three States based on cases since Omicron was identified which, for our purposes, will be taken as December 1st. Note that Queensland numbers are a day behind the other two States.

[russellw]

Some interesting data on the rate of false positives from rapid antigen tests.

The samples were taken from more than 900k compulsory tests across 537 workplaces which returned 1,322 positive results with 462 false-positives (42%), however 278 of those false positives came from a single batch of Abbott’s Panbio COVID-19 Ag Rapid tests which suggests the batch itself was faulty and the overall false positive rate is therefore closer to 13%.

Of more importance is that there were only 12 false-negatives confirmed amongst those 900k tests which supports the view that a false-positive is a much greater risk than a false negative even if the TGA doesn't agree.

[russellw]

We've obviously seen a rapid increase in the number of cases in Australia over the last month, so here is some data about hospitalisations and mortalities since Omicron became the prevalent infection.

The data is for each week from the 3rd December onward.

That first week saw 10,764 cases and the 544 people in hospital represented 5% of cases although they were probably mostly Delta patients.

Jump to this last week (ending 14/1) and the case numbers were 774,050 and there were 4,414 people in hospital or just 0.5% of cases and that percentage has been dropping every week in between as shown in the charts below.

Hospitalisation - Raw Numbers and % of Cases





Likewise, the number of patients in ICU has also continued to climb from 159 in that first week to 476 now but the the percentage of cases has fallen from 1.477% in week 1 to 0.061% this week.

ICU - Raw Numbers and % of Cases





The number of deaths from those cases also continues to drop as a percentage. It was 0.372% in that first week and 0.030% in this last week although we do know that adjusted CMR is probably a more reliable gauge so it is included in that graph.





.. and for completeness, the growth in case numbers for the same period.

[russellw]

Data valid as at 00:00 GMT January 15th 2022.

103,836 new cases for Australia and 55 deaths so the CMR is 0.161%.

NZ recorded 54 cases and 2 deaths for a CMR of 0.360%.

The UK recorded 80,736 cases and 287 deaths for a CMR of 1.003%.

941,679 new cases in the USA yesterday and 2,696 deaths sees CMR at 1.317%.

Other notable points: (weekend reporting)
Global cases pass 326M;
Global deaths pass 5.5M, the last 50k in 7 days;
Global cases record a new high of 3,333,697 on 13/1;
South America sets a new daily high with 373,400cases on 14/1;
Asia sets a new daily high with 553,072 cases;
Europe passes 103M cases;
North America passes 78M cases;
The USA passes 66M cases;
India passes 37M cases;

Greenland (788);
Costa Rica (5,224) on 14/1;
Slovenia (7,581);
Chile (9,337) – the previous high (9,151) on 9/4/21;
Panama (9,530) on 14/1;
Kazakhstan (12,381);
Peru (49,745);
Colombia (35,575);
Philippines (39,004); and
Mexico (44,293);

... all recorded new highs; those in blue for the second consecutive day and those in red for a third or more consecutive day.

Venezuela moves above the 90th percentile for the 10 day period and Nigeria drops below.

Has anyone given any thought to how this will affect their retirement? At 60/70+ years of age you're ripe for a bad outcome from the virus. The flu already knocks off a lot of our oldies so once covid becomes endemic we're going to have even more elderly deaths. To the people who feel safe now because they're young and healthy... it's still going to be around in 30 years and waiting for you. Work hard all your life to enjoy your retirement. Perhaps all 6 months of it.

[russellw]

Originally Posted by leesa

Has anyone given any thought to how this will affect their retirement? At 60/70+ years of age you're ripe for a bad outcome from the virus. The flu already knocks off a lot of our oldies so once covid becomes endemic we're going to have even more elderly deaths. To the people who feel safe now because they're young and healthy... it's still going to be around in 30 years and waiting for you. Work hard all your life to enjoy your retirement. Perhaps all 6 months of it.

Veritable little ray of sunshine aren't you.

If we go back a to my grandparents generation, those who retired at 65 generally didn't outlive a new car with the average life expectancy for males around 70.2 in 1960. We've added 13 years to that in my lifetime (82.9) and it should be noted that whole of pandemic in Australia (including pre-vax), only 10% of deaths have been in the 60-69 age group while the over 80's make up 57.7% of all COVID deaths. Indeed, 9.5% of all COVID deaths in this country are below 60 so the chances are about the same for the 60-69 age group with the sub-60's and 80+ groups having a greater chance of being road fatalities.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by leesa

Has anyone given any thought to how this will affect their retirement? At 60/70+ years of age you're ripe for a bad outcome from the virus. The flu already knocks off a lot of our oldies so once covid becomes endemic we're going to have even more elderly deaths. To the people who feel safe now because they're young and healthy... it's still going to be around in 30 years and waiting for you. Work hard all your life to enjoy your retirement. Perhaps all 6 months of it.

From a Government perspective it is the perfect assassin, picks off the unhealthy who are a drain on the health system and the elderly who are a drain on the welfare system.
Either way, the money spent on saving us from ourselves over the past 2 years will be repaid in the above mentioned benefits saved down the track.
Those who want to enjoy retirement will need to give serious consideration to how they care for themselves between now and then.
Age will have little bearing on it, when the sum of multiple comorbidities is added to a dose of Covid the result will be the same regardless of being 50 or 80.

[Blue Ice]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/tenn...16-p59oje.html

Gone....

[pwr4ce]

Looks like Novak is out of here



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[Fordman1]

See ya NoVacc

[T3rminator]

Well there goes freedom of speech thought.

So they granted him a visa knowing full well what his views already were on vaccination, then cancelled it for having that view.

They said his presence would cause civil unrest. He has been here 2 weeks, been detained, and there were what? 30-50 people protesting on one day?

Funny, we granted the likes of Katie Hopkins a visa during lock downs, and have MPs attending antivax protests helping their cause.

Quite frightening when you think what implication this might have on our rights going forward.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by leesa

Has anyone given any thought to how this will affect their retirement? At 60/70+ years of age you're ripe for a bad outcome from the virus. The flu already knocks off a lot of our oldies so once covid becomes endemic we're going to have even more elderly deaths. To the people who feel safe now because they're young and healthy... it's still going to be around in 30 years and waiting for you. Work hard all your life to enjoy your retirement. Perhaps all 6 months of it.

Yea I thought of it as I'm in the age bracket and nearly ready for retirement.
Unlock the states borders, lift the restrictions and let us oldies get on with our lives with some dignity and enjoyment before we kick the bucket.....
Sorry for sarcasm but this is how I feel

Cheers.

[Blue Ice]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Funny, we granted the likes of Katie Hopkins a visa during lock downs, and have MPs attending antivax protests helping their cause.

They kicked Katie Hopkins out not long after she arrived her too.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Well there goes freedom of speech thought.

So they granted him a visa knowing full well what his views already were on vaccination, then cancelled it for having that view.

They said his presence would cause civil unrest. He has been here 2 weeks, been detained, and there were what? 30-50 people protesting on one day?

Funny, we granted the likes of Katie Hopkins a visa during lock downs, and have MPs attending antivax protests helping their cause.

Quite frightening when you think what implication this might have on our rights going forward.

Who cares! Set and Match now lets move on from this distraction.
The guy had a choice to vaccinate or not and now it is his loss.
Cheers.

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by Blue Ice

They kicked Katie Hopkins out not long after she arrived her too.

Yep, but in her case, she actually did breach covid safe rules in quarantine. What a sight that would have been.

[GO FURTHER]

Originally Posted by leesa

Has anyone given any thought to how this will affect their retirement? At 60/70+ years of age you're ripe for a bad outcome from the virus. The flu already knocks off a lot of our oldies so once covid becomes endemic we're going to have even more elderly deaths. To the people who feel safe now because they're young and healthy... it's still going to be around in 30 years and waiting for you. Work hard all your life to enjoy your retirement. Perhaps all 6 months of it.

Leesa, I am nearing retirement age, but over the last couple of years of the Pandemic, the thought of Covid or its variants, affecting my lifespan in the twilight of my life, has never once crossed my mind.

What does often cross my mind as I get older though, is the usual fears of Cancer, Diabetes, and Dementia, of which (as far as I am aware) I do not have as yet. (Touch wood).

Originally Posted by russellw

Veritable little ray of sunshine aren't you.

If we go back a to my grandparents generation, those who retired at 65 generally didn't outlive a new car with the average life expectancy for males around 70.2 in 1960. We've added 13 years to that in my lifetime (82.9) and it should be noted that whole of pandemic in Australia (including pre-vax), only 10% of deaths have been in the 60-69 age group while the over 80's make up 57.7% of all COVID deaths. Indeed, 9.5% of all COVID deaths in this country are below 60 so the chances are about the same for the 60-69 age group with the sub-60's and 80+ groups having a greater chance of being road fatalities.

Just being realistic. Can the statistics of the past two years be used to presume how things will play out once it becomes endemic? I'm not so sure that they can, we're following a different strategy now. The 80s+ were hit hard because it got into aged care facilities and ripped through. Everyone else had protection because we locked down hard and our hospital systems weren't overrun, but we're not locking down anymore. It will rip through the entirely of the population so it will be interesting to see if the statistics and age groups change, moving forward. It will also be interesting to see if that life expectancy creeps backwards. Our future is going to look a lot different to how we probably expected it would be.

I'm pretty salty at the moment. One of the deaths from a couple of days ago was a woman with dementia who couldn't make her own medical decisions so her kids had EPOA, but they were antivaxxers and refused to give permission for her to receive a vaccine when she was eligible. She was a nice lady and she died because of someone else's stupidity. There's probably a lesson there for the rest of us to be very sure about who we pick as our enduring power of attorney...

Originally Posted by BENT_8

From a Government perspective it is the perfect assassin, picks off the unhealthy who are a drain on the health system and the elderly who are a drain on the welfare system.

Unfortunately I think you're probably right.

[BENT_8]

Originally Posted by leesa

Just being realistic. Can the statistics of the past two years be used to presume how things will play out once it becomes endemic? I'm not so sure that they can, we're following a different strategy now. The 80s+ were hit hard because it got into aged care facilities and ripped through. Everyone else had protection because we locked down hard and our hospital systems weren't overrun, but we're not locking down anymore. It will rip through the entirely of the population so it will be interesting to see if the statistics and age groups change, moving forward. It will also be interesting to see if that life expectancy creeps backwards. Our future is going to look a lot different to how we probably expected it would be.

Correct.
I know here in SA the recent deaths have all but a few come from the wrong side of 50. As it will sweep through as regularly as the normal flu the question will be how many times can the body fight and recover before a combination of age and health see an individual succumb.
Its bloody frightening but also the reality of the situation.

You can add population control to the other two I mentioned as the nature of it will wipe out many in over populated regions, another money/resource saver from a Government perspective, not that Im suggesting its some form of conspiracy, it is what it is.

[slowsnake]

We've all got to die sometime, just enjoy being alive now!..forget the past and don't worry about the future!

Unless it's right in front of my face, right here and right now, then I don't worry about it!........