Covid 19 -

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

And yet six deaths? So these guys refused the advice of medical professionals right to the end? At least they're consistent...

But out of the 1435 vaccinated that were admitted, 105 in ICU and 83 deaths, that's not good either,
non vaccinated it states no admission and no ICU, so these could be people that died but had Covid in their system when the autopsy was performed, they could have died in a car crash or had a stroke whatever, as there was no admission does not say they fought it to the end it just says that they were not admitted for Covid.

The way I read it, is that the non vaccinated are not being admitted to hospital, they are not clogging up the ICU's, its the vaccinated that seems to be the problem and it seems the more doses you have had the more chance you have of being admitted the figures speak for themselves.
admitted, ICU, deaths
Four or more doses 810 58 53
Three doses 377 29 19
Two doses 218 17 9
One dose 10 1 1
No dose 0 0 6
Unknown 364 35 7
Total 1779 140 95
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[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

LOL, so they say, it seems that this Covid affects different people in different ways.

Me= not vaccinated had Covid, to me no worse than a flu, over it in 5 days.
Wife= not vaccinated only minor symptoms the first time, this time just a throat tickle, just went on as normal.
Mother in law= not vaccinated, only had a headache and was fine.
Son= 1st vaccination only, same as the wife no problems at all.
Neighbour= fully vaccinated, to him it was the end of the world, 2 weeks out of action and a slow recovery.
Neighbours Wife= fully vaccinated, mild symptoms was fine after the first 2 days.
workmate=1st vaccination, had adverse reaction to the injection took 3 weeks to recover from that, then copped Covid 3 months later and also said it was no worse than a flu.

I am yet to hear from anyone in my circle of friends who know of anyone to die with it or from it yet, so I dont think its a one solution suits all and I would definitely not say that the vaccinated or the unvaccinated are any better off than each other and how can you prove that either is, as each person reacts differently to Covid and the vaccination.

Sure you will have doctors and experts with their opinions, but we all know about opinions, then there is the real facts.

Curious to know if any of these were caught in year 1?

We lost a hand full within our circle in year 1. But then no bad news in year 2 or 3 from memory.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

Curious to know if any of these were caught in year 1?

We lost a hand full within our circle in year 1. But then no bad news in year 2 or 3 from memory.

We will never know as there are way too many variables and each person reacts differently to it.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

LOL, so they say, it seems that this Covid affects different people in different ways.

Me= not vaccinated had Covid, to me no worse than a flu, over it in 5 days.
Wife= not vaccinated only minor symptoms the first time, this time just a throat tickle, just went on as normal.
Mother in law= not vaccinated, only had a headache and was fine.
Son= 1st vaccination only, same as the wife no problems at all.
Neighbour= fully vaccinated, to him it was the end of the world, 2 weeks out of action and a slow recovery.
Neighbours Wife= fully vaccinated, mild symptoms was fine after the first 2 days.
workmate=1st vaccination, had adverse reaction to the injection took 3 weeks to recover from that, then copped Covid 3 months later and also said it was no worse than a flu.

I am yet to hear from anyone in my circle of friends who know of anyone to die with it or from it yet, so I dont think its a one solution suits all and I would definitely not say that the vaccinated or the unvaccinated are any better off than each other and how can you prove that either is, as each person reacts differently to Covid and the vaccination.

Sure you will have doctors and experts with their opinions, but we all know about opinions, then there is the real facts.

In the long run it will not be opinions but statistics that will determine the severity of covid and the vaccines and to what effects it had on us.
At the end of the day, it your choice for your own destiny.

Cheers

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Itsme

In the long run it will not be opinions but statistics that will determine the severity of covid and the vaccines and to what effects it had on us.

Cheers

But we will still be told what is good for us whether it is or not, there is no definite proof that it does and there is no proof that it doesn't, like you say its time that will reveal the real truth and its affects.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

non vaccinated it states no admission and no ICU, so these could be people that died but had Covid in their system when the autopsy was performed, they could have died in a car crash or had a stroke whatever, as there was no admission does not say they fought it to the end it just says that they were not admitted for Covid.

"Deaths may be excluded if there was a clear alternative cause of death that was unrelated to COVID-19"

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

it seems the more doses you have had the more chance you have of being admitted the figures speak for themselves.

You should google Simpson's Paradox. There are more people who are up to date with their vaccines, so of course there are more of them winding up in hospital.

[ute83]

I remember state, federal and world leaders telling us over and over that it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Doesn't seem to be the case any more.

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by ute83

I remember state, federal and world leaders telling us over and over that it is a pandemic of the unvaccinated. Doesn't seem to be the case any more.

Certainly still seems to be the case in the US.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...country=~50%2B

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

"Deaths may be excluded if there was a clear alternative cause of death that was unrelated to COVID-19"

No, if you have Covid in your system when you die you are a Covid statistic, you may not have died from Covid but you died with Covid.

This is why we have Covid deaths added to the statistic weeks after the person died.

It seems by the statistics, that you are more likely to be hospitalised and to die with Covid if you are 70 years old or older, a lot of these people have died from other causes but had Covid at the time, so it is recorded as a Covid death.

You should google Simpson's Paradox. There are more people who are up to date with their vaccines, so of course there are more of them winding up in hospital.

Doesnt this seem strange to you that they vaccinate you for something but you still get it and end up in hospital?

Remember when they used to cure disease and vaccinations actually worked, hmmm, that does not seem to be the case now does it?

[Metdevil]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

No, if you have Covid in your system when you die you are a Covid statistic, you may not have died from Covid but you died with Covid.

Well that's just directly contradictory to the report that you quoted.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

Certainly still seems to be the case in the US.
https://ourworldindata.org/grapher/u...country=~50%2B

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So they can publish utter rubbish if they like and even if they are wrong or are making the whole thing up they can

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by Metdevil

Well that's just directly contradictory to the report that you quoted.

No Its not, died "FROM" Covid is different than died "WITH" Covid, but they both go into the same statistic when you die.

[T3rminator]

How can anyone draw any conclusions, either way, when the definition of "vaccinated" is not what it was 18 months ago?

Assuming "vaccinated" means anyone who has had 2 shots. Most people would have had their 2nd shot during the mandated period. That was some 18 months ago. "Experts" told us that efficacy wanes to pretty much useless a few months afterwards, which has now LONG passed. So anyone who hasn't had a booster lately should be counted as "unvaccincated"..........but I bet they aren't.

So either that "experts" were telling porkies when they said the efficacy wanes to nothing after a few months, or the stats of vaccinated vs unvaccinated is now unreliable?

[MITCHAY]

What I don't understand is how after a couple of years, these people can't get on the ****en same page.

First it was that we're not going to test Chinese travellers and then not much after that we are going to. The CMO comes out and says that it was against medical advice. FFS get your **** together please!

I mean I was trying to even figure out my updated status the other day but depends on your age and whether it is recommended, not available.

I have the 2 dose main course plus one booster. I caught the rona in September so I could get a 4th if I wanted to but it's not recommended.

And by that I mean they don't say I should get the 4th but also say I don't have too. It's available

So technically I'm up to date and that's enough for me. I don't bother paying much attention and won't until something really significant happens.

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by T3rminator

How can anyone draw any conclusions, either way, when the definition of "vaccinated" is not what it was 18 months ago?

Assuming "vaccinated" means anyone who has had 2 shots. Most people would have had their 2nd shot during the mandated period. That was some 18 months ago. "Experts" told us that efficacy wanes to pretty much useless a few months afterwards, which has now LONG passed. So anyone who hasn't had a booster lately should be counted as "unvaccincated"..........but I bet they aren't.

So either that "experts" were telling porkies when they said the efficacy wanes to nothing after a few months, or the stats of vaccinated vs unvaccinated is now unreliable?

Vaccinated means from the very first jab then ongoing booster shots when recommended by health authorities, well that my definition of it.
I have had the 4 recommended shots and will take advise from my treating doctor if there are any more recommended booster shots when I see him next on my regular visit to him.

Cheers

PS: To date my wife and I have had not been infected by Covid as far as we are aware of and hopefully, we don't.

[PooDog]

To be honest I'm over the whole thing ......just do what you think is right for you and your family situation.....the whole thing has been twisted into such a beurecratic conspiracle nightmare by all sorts of people with different agendas ,most people know what's the right thing to do......after four years or however long it's been and you still haven't figured out what's right for you then flip a coin ,.....but the non believers still have a crusade to convert the rest .....and here we go on and on and on

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by PooDog

.....but the non believers still have a crusade to convert the rest .....and here we go on and on and on

This is the thing, who is right, the ones that listen to what they are fed, or the ones that dont want to listen, each have their own agenda.

I'm on the fence here I dont care either way, but I do know im not letting them stick stuff into me that they rushed through in 6 months with a little rushed testing, we are the lab rats here.

[arm79]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

No, if you have Covid in your system when you die you are a Covid statistic, you may not have died from Covid but you died with Covid.

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

No Its not, died "FROM" Covid is different than died "WITH" Covid, but they both go into the same statistic when you die.

In some cases it comes down to the rules of the country collecting the statistics.

In Australia if there its a clear cut irrefutable non covid related cause of death even while infected with covid it will not be counted as a statistic.

So if the death is from trauma after running your car into a tree at high speed, are shot or commit suicide for instance while infected with covid its NOT counted as a covid death for statistic purposes.

But in other countries it may be. I think USA count these deaths in their statistics. Or if they aren't anymore they were originally.

[Citroënbender]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

I'm on the fence here I dont care either way, but I do know im not letting them stick stuff into me that they rushed through in 6 months with a little rushed testing, we are the lab rats here.

This reminds me of the way manufacturers responded to many new Euro engine pollution specs; rush it to market and the consumer carries the can for driveline issues.

More on topic, a subtle but thorough slamming of our governments keeping a veil of secrecy over the data and modelling that was used to inform strategies. Not a good look either from a transparency viewpoint or reciprocal sharing of data with overseas contributors whose choice to publish theirs, perhaps helped us. Worth a read.

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-01-...recy/101827548

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

This is the thing, who is right, the ones that listen to what they are fed, or the ones that dont want to listen, each have their own agenda.

I'm on the fence here I dont care either way, but I do know im not letting them stick stuff into me that they rushed through in 6 months with a little rushed testing, we are the lab rats here.

Must have a sore butt sitting on the fence for four years ? ......if you can't decide after four years you never will......so il put you in the anti Vax camp coz they're the only ones that can't let it go ???

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Must have a sore butt sitting on the fence for four years ? ......if you can't decide after four years you never will......so il put you in the anti Vax camp coz they're the only ones that can't let it go ???

No sore Butt, not a anti vaxer either, as I am fully vaccinated in all the other vaccinations that have stopped me from contracting what they are meant to stop, that were all tested the right way.

I do have a few dead vaxed friends that seemed to get heart and blood problems after the vaccination, coincidence?, I dont think so, seeing that the companies that released the vaccines have even admitted that it causes these problems in some people, so they have pretty much killed these people, but a small mortality rate is ok, would you be happy if your wife, mother, father, child, sister or brother was one of these people who had a fatal reaction to the vaccine?

Did you also know that the companies that make these vaccines that you are taking are exempt from any prosecution resulting from said vaccine?

[T3rminator]

Originally Posted by arm79

So if the death is from trauma after running your car into a tree at high speed, are shot or commit suicide for instance while infected with covid its NOT counted as a covid death for statistic purposes.

But in other countries it may be. I think USA count these deaths in their statistics. Or if they aren't anymore they were originally.

You might be thinking about the UK. Very early on they were doing some "dodgey" counting. If someone died, they looked back through their medical records, and if they had a positive test within 3 weeks from date of death, it was counted as a covid death.

The example that made public headline was, a journo asked a public official that if someone got hit by a bus and died, but had tested positive to covid a week beforehand, would that be in the covid statistics, the answer was yes.

After that they changed their method to be better in line with the WHO guidelines.

[FairmontGS]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Must have a sore butt sitting on the fence for four years ? ......if you can't decide after four years you never will......so il put you in the anti Vax camp coz they're the only ones that can't let it go ???

^^^ This. Every month or so they realise that no-one is paying attention and they pop back up with some desperately twisted statistic to prove that they are still relevant. Meanwhile we've all moved on...

[PooDog]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

No sore Butt, not a anti vaxer either, as I am fully vaccinated in all the other vaccinations that have stopped me from contracting what they are meant to stop, that were all tested the right way.

I do have a few dead vaxed friends that seemed to get heart and blood problems after the vaccination, coincidence?, I dont think so, seeing that the companies that released the vaccines have even admitted that it causes these problems in some people, so they have pretty much killed these people, but a small mortality rate is ok, would you be happy if your wife, mother, father, child, sister or brother was one of these people who had a fatal reaction to the vaccine?

Did you also know that the companies that make these vaccines that you are taking are exempt from any prosecution resulting from said vaccine?

Did you know that this has all been discussed soooo many times ...why don't you go back and read all 19000 posts .....maybe that will get you off the fence

[Itsme]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

No sore Butt, not a anti vaxer either, as I am fully vaccinated in all the other vaccinations that have stopped me from contracting what they are meant to stop, that were all tested the right way.

I do have a few dead vaxed friends that seemed to get heart and blood problems after the vaccination, coincidence?, I dont think so, seeing that the companies that released the vaccines have even admitted that it causes these problems in some people, so they have pretty much killed these people, but a small mortality rate is ok, would you be happy if your wife, mother, father, child, sister or brother was one of these people who had a fatal reaction to the vaccine?

Did you also know that the companies that make these vaccines that you are taking are exempt from any prosecution resulting from said vaccine?

Did you know that there are other vaccines people can take but you can still die or have serious effects from the condition? one such example is the flu shot, and some vaccines require you take booster shots over a period of time.
Not all vaccines will protect you 100% and if you don't believe me then consult your Phyician.

[prktkljokr]

Originally Posted by PooDog

Did you know that this has all been discussed soooo many times ...why don't you go back and read all 19000 posts .....maybe that will get you off the fence

Im not here to change yours or anyone's mind, you can do what you like, I am on here as this is a discussion, you have your view, I have mine and your view wont get me off the fence and get me vaccinated anymore than my view will stop you getting vaccinated.

I will look at the facts though and here is why I reached my decision ( you don't even have to read it if you don't want, I don't care )

What is the vaccine going to do for ME if I take it? this is what I look at before I make decisions regarding my health, for ME the facts speak for themselves, you and others may see it differently and that's your choice.

From a random Covid vaccine website

Prevents serious illness: COVID-19 vaccines available are safe and effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying.
A safer way to build protection: Getting a COVID-19 vaccine is a safer, more reliable way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19.
Offers added protection: COVID-19 vaccines can offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection.

Just remember this is MY way of seeing it clearer.

Safer way to build protection?, pretty sure that's what everyone who has been vaccinated thought before they were vaccinated then caught Covid.
Supposedly I am less likely to contract it?, but there is no guarantee I wont, as most people that are vaccinated have.
Prevents serious illness, hmmm, the 1478 vaccinated people who were admitted to hospital in the 2 week period last month and the 83 that died in NSW thought that too?
Reliable way of getting protection, umm no, protected for 2 months only supposedly, then you are no different to the unvaccinated.
Protection against being hospitalised, pretty sure the 1478 last month thought that too.
They also say that if you have underlying health issues you should have it, well I have underlying respitory health issues, but have had Covid with no ill effects at all.

I can still contract it, vaccinated or not
I can still spread it, vaccinated or not
I can still be hospitalised from it, vaccinated or not
I can still die from it, vaccinated or not
There is no guarantee that the symptoms will be less severe, vaccinated or not
No guarantee that I will recover quickly, vaccinated or not.

Then there is the vaccine itself, it was hurried along, untested and not approved when they released it to the masses, the experts then found there were some fatal side affects in a few people and some long lasting side affects, I'm sorry I am not being a test rat and lining up for it, if it was a known working, non side affect vaccine I would be there with my sleeve rolled up, but its not there yet.

So in a nutshell its no different if I chose not to have it.

Like I said before, I have had Covid it was not that bad
Am I kicking myself for not getting vaccinated?, No
Did I spread it?, probably
Do I think the symptoms would have been less severe if I was vaccinated?, I very much doubt it.
Will I catch it again?, I would say most definitely
Will I recover?, I have no doubt now.

So do I need the vaccination?, I don't think so, I can see no benefit for ME, my family or the community if I do or don't

My family have their own thoughts, my wife weighed it up and decided to wait, mother in law who is 85 and has a liquorice assortment of health conditions weighed it up and decided no, my son decided to get vaccinated, but only for work purposes because he had to, other wise he was not fussed either way, we have all had Covid, for none of us it was severe at all, so I still stand beside MY own decision, as I would say they do too.

They are also saying you are more immune to not catching Covid after just having it, so technically I am naturally immunised by having had it.

[Romulus]

Originally Posted by prktkljokr

From a random Covid vaccine website


Prevents serious illness: COVID-19 vaccines available are safe and effective at protecting people from getting seriously ill, being hospitalized, and dying.
A safer way to build protection: Getting a COVID-19 vaccine is a safer, more reliable way to build protection than getting sick with COVID-19.
Offers added protection: COVID-19 vaccines can offer added protection to people who had COVID-19, including protection against being hospitalized from a new infection.

Can we agree this statement from a random Covid vaccine website is an utter lie and history will prove this to be the case. This is the same garbage parroted by Health Agencies and Governments like Australia and the US, yet other countries are now telling their citizens to stop taking these toxic deadly tubes of puss.

[Work Horse]

This thread has jumped the shark, again...

[T3rminator]

Past topics x new data ➗ new contributors = new discussion?

[GasoLane]

Originally Posted by Romulus

Can we agree this statement from a random Covid vaccine website is an utter lie and history will prove this to be the case. This is the same garbage parroted by Health Agencies and Governments like Australia and the US, yet other countries are now telling their citizens to stop taking these toxic deadly tubes of puss.

For the last few pages this thread was buzzing along nicely with points of view sensibly put forward from both sides of the vaccine debate.

Then you came along....... Please take your venomous comments somewhere else or start behaving like a grown up.