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Ranger back on top for December, Hilux wins the year.
https://www.google.com.au/url?sa=t&r...Z_pVQ6T8T1WD-b
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On top, where Ranger belongs good job. Lets hope this time next year we are lauding Ranger for being top selling vehicle for all of 2023... Wait and see I suppose.
What never ceases to amaze me is Toyota sales for the whole range, all of 2022... 2.5 times second place... Nothing in the Toyota lineup is class leading (300 series cruiser is probably the one exception). I get they are the only ones that give hybrid options over most of the range, but still....
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Peter Car
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Ranger is flying now that the supply is there. Going to be a real fight for no 1 spot against the vastly inferior Hilux next year.
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Ranger will knock it off until they bring out their new one ? late 23 into 24 if my memory serves right, then its apples for apples for its a no brainer the current gen hilux is no match but for reputation and regular buyers who won't cross shop.
In the meantime Ranger will be able to really take the market all this year being leading platform. BDaz, range range range is the TOY crowds weapon none have in the volume segements.
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Last month, only 7 vehicles had more than 2,000 sales, so many nameplates to choose from…
Getting in before Bent, No matter which way you slice it, Toyota closed out 2022 with 231,050 sales while Ford was back in 6th with 66,28 sales, so Hilux with 64,391 almost covered all of Ford’s sales. So here’s a target for Ford for 2023 - Ranger + Everest = 6,000/mth or 72,000 sales. If tha sounds far fetched, imagine what they need to do to get over 200,000 sales… |
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December Figures -
Brands - 1 Toyota 16,274 up 0.2 per cent 2 Mazda 8500 up 20.1 per cent 3 Ford 6165 up 13.5 per cent 4 Kia 5630 up 15.4 per cent 5 MG 5194 up 58.9 per cent 6 Mitsubishi 4927 down 12.9 per cent 7 Hyundai 4434 down 22.7 per cent 8 Subaru 4071 up 45.2 per cent 9 GWM Haval 3295 up 116.8 per cent 10 Volkswagen 3059 up 25.1 per cent Models - 1 Ford Ranger 4663 up 12 per cent 2 Toyota HiLux 4271 up 11.8 per cent 3 MG ZS 3056 up 54.3 per cent 4 Toyota RAV4 2193 down 26.9 per cent 5 Mazda CX-3 2068 up 191.7 per cent 6 Mits Outlander 2052 up 52.9 per cent 7 Toyota Corolla 1843 up 45 per cent 8 Tesla Model 3 1806 Data not available 9 Hyundai Tucson 1643 up 57.2 per cent 10 Mazda CX-5 1637 down 23.8 per cent Ford - Ford Escape – 129 Ford Everest – 926 Ford Fiesta – 4 Ford Focus – 8 Ford Mustang – 88 Ford Puma – 148 Ford Ranger 4x2 – 550 Ford Ranger 4x4 – 4113 Ford Transit Bus – 0 Ford Transit Custom – 197 Ford Transit Heavy – 2 Ford total – 6165 I have advocated for this for a long time, but if only Ford put a little more effort into 4x2 Ranger, they would easily have the number one position and all the bragging rights and recognition that comes from that. And that does not mean they have to sell cut-price models either.
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Riddle me this. If Toyota sold 231K, how come the dealers I've walked in to recently both east and west have had near zero new stock on display? It's all 2nd hand on front row, or even other brands' cars. It's the weirdest new car showrooms I've ever seen from the big T.
I guess sales go straight from the boat to Mr Smith who has been waiting 18 months?
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Correct.
I checked the local T dealer on this. And their used prices are just so high unbelievable. |
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But then again, SUV’s are more profitable, and the Puma already makes up half of FoE’s profits. |
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https://www.drive.com.au/news/toyota...livery-centre/
Another interesting initiative from Toyota… A further push to delete dealers out of the supply chain imho! As for hilux its all fleet base spec, governments and mines.
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Yer nah, with the overall numbers they sell nationally service is the key and dealers provide the end product and link.
If it was a struggling brand sure you could see it that way not them. Staggering numbers tbh considering the challenges and dominate like the holden ford days of old but with 3/4 models in sales mix. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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beyond recovery of development and manufacturing costs. As far as I can see, that’s the main interest why Ford has no interest in funding future product cycles. The problem with countries like Australia is that we’re lumped in with Euro RHD build preferences that for the most part, don’t align with our markets tastes and preferences, now more like RHD America…. Fortunately Ford Europe is being told to take on a more American flavour, we’ll see if that helps us… |
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At this point going to more profitable SUV’s is about their only way to make solid money. But with europe being so small car focused, i’m not sure how it will go. Puma does well though, but it is a small car. |
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Maybe China could be asked to build RHD models...........they build a better looking Explorer than the US version and a few other interesting models.
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We've got two on the Bingo card already and we're on the first page, what were Tesla's monthly figures for December?
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1266.
But A ship docked Dec 20 with another 4000 And they Tesla have reduced prices today by approx 3 k in Aus |
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- BEV Puma - Mach E imported from US - Cologne BEV SUV Escape sized - Cologne BEV Crossover Focus Active sized All remaining ICEs are going to get harder and harder to sell, even HEV/PHEVs. All of those would have a decent chance in our market but I just know they’ll jealousy guard all of them. So maybe convincing Ford China to build some RHD exports would bolster their hybrid products You can’t get a straight answer out of Ford as to how many actual sales China gets, they’re hiding a ton of sunk funds that often present as red ink, too slow responding to changed buyer interest in China….. |
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Peter Car
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Imagine the sooking that would happen if that eventuated, although no one seems to care if tesla gets most of their cars out of china. Everyone turns a blind eye to that.
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https://www.carsguide.com.au/car-new...anks-to-toyota
Life after Holden! Walkinshaw doing just fine without Holden Commodore thanks to Toyota Tundra, Ram 1500 and Chevrolet Silverado full-size pick-ups Walkinshaw is keeping busy after HSV thanks to right-hand drive remanufacturing. Tung Nguyen News Editor 7 Jan 2023 • 4 min read Five years on from the demise of the locally built Holden, Walkinshaw Automotive Group (WAG) is in an even better position than it was while producing Holden Special Vehicles (HSV) models. That’s according to WAG director Ryan Walkinshaw, who told CarsGuide the company’s right-hand-drive remanufacturing activities for the Ram 1500, Chevrolet Silverado and upcoming Toyota Tundra, as well as development work on the flagship W-series Volkswagen Amarok, has allowed them to go from strength to strength. “We’ve come a long way in the last sort of 12 years. We’ve gone from being about 280 employees 12 years ago when I started,” he said. “[We had} a really nice successful business in HSV doing good volume of 3000 units a year, and now thanks to programs like VW Amarok, our growth has been quite impressive, particularly in the last sort of four or five years since after Holden closed down [local manufacturing of Commodore]. “We’ve gone from one OE partnership to multiply early partnerships, we’ve got fantastic new facilities, we’ve got second-to-none engineering facilities and infrastructure here in Australia." “One of the bonuses of a lot of the automotive brands closing down, was we were able to cherry pick a lot of the best staff from Toyota, Ford and Holden, which has allowed us to become the biggest and best automotive business in Australia in our eyes." “Now we’re at 1500 employees and we’re doing 12,000 units this year, and we see that growing significantly over the next few years as more programs come online.” Mr Walkinshaw was also quick to point out that this means local vehicle development and manufacturing is still alive and well in Australia, despite no production models being assembled here. “Our success story in Victoria and Australia, in our view, is a success story for Australian manufacturing,” he said. “We can still do this here, it’s different to what it used to be, it’s not the same as what we had with Toyota, Holden and Ford, but it doesn’t mean that we can’t have a fantastic large market doing good volume, employing lots of people with a good supplier base. “And still have an automotive industry that we’re proud of. It’s not the same, it’s different, but it’s still something that should be respected and should be appreciated and should be invested in.” Walkinshaw aren’t the only local engineering outfit operating in Australia, however, with Premcar designing and developing the local Warrior program for Nissan that encompasses the Navara ute and soon-to-launch Patrol SUV. Likewise, RMA Holdings will partner with Ford to right-hand-drive remanufacture the full-sized F-150 pick-up from mid-2023, competing directly against the Walkinshaw-reassembled Ram 1500, Chevrolet Silverado and upcoming Toyota Tundra. Ford Australia also employs a circa-2000-strong engineering team who worked on the new-generation Ranger ute and Everest SUV, and will be moved to other projects for overseas markets now those two crucial models are on sale. |
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Everybody is free, apparently. To feel good
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Looking at the brands that suffered big losses in 2022 - Nissan, Honda,
Subaru, Lexus, VW, Audi, Jaguar/Land Rover….. So I’m wondering how many of those will completely drop off buyers radars over the next few years, is that already happening? |
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The rise and rise of Chinese brands sales.
An apparent decline in Euro brands sales. Can the euro s recover. VAG talk a big game but dont deliver. |
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Europe are strangling themselves under the guise of climate change and excess living cost. They have an aging native population and a generation of gen Y and Z males that resemble women more than men. Watch the Chinese do more joint ventures, poaching more engineers or buying them outright for their tech and market share. I see Cadogan has just done a vid of what jpd80 highlights, but also puts the boot into Ford/Ranger and Toyota. He is too predictable. |
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With Europe committed to electric, it would seem the Chinese might be kind enough to supply our addiction to ICE in the future and they'll become the dominant player in Australia. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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The CCP has a long term strategy to dominate electric car sales.
Can sell bev s to Europe cheaper than the Europeans. Does Europe put up a Tariff wall? Smoo Chinese males look pretty soft too mate. Our young blokes are ok they all want to drive double cab utes to express their manliness |
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It will be interesting to follow how China reads the market.
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Maybe in Australia but we're a rounding error for most of those manufacturers. Toyota will hurt without US and Europe in the future. Australia isn't big enough for them either. Sent from my Pixel 7 using Tapatalk
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