The truth about diesel

[johnydep]

I've said this before, diesel is more dangerous to our health than petrol. I'm beginning to hate diesel fuel, especially when driving behind a vehicle that uses it; that incluses new ones. I followed a Touareg and watched it blow a puff of black smoke every time it took off from the lights.

How important is your health and your families health?

The truth about diesel
Richard Blackburn, The Sydney Morning Herald, 01/06/07

Diesel produces fewer greenhouse gases than unleaded petrol but it is more dangerous to our health. RICHARD BLACKBURN reports on an automotive dilemma.

[xe351]

not only are they stinky and generaly slow, but also bad for you! never liked diesels

[KingLemmywinks]

hi. rudolf deisel killed himself so it cant be to good

[vztrt]

I still think Ford should throw the money into making a e-gas terri, then developing a diesel terri as you pay close to 20c extra in tax than petrol so there really isn't a cost saving. The terri would be better for customers that need all this extra torque. They now have the tooling (for Orion) to redesign the SUV and build it differently to the normal terri.

[xdc351]

Until every car in the country is running hydrogen (which has nothing but water coming out the exhaust) your causing health problems.

LPG is as close as we have to a genuine zero toxin fuel, everyone else is kidding themselves.

[mrnsx]

problems can be found on anything if u look hard enough.

I say a clean diesel engine that is well maintained is much better than petrol engines.

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by mrnsx

problems can be found on anything if u look hard enough.

I say a clean diesel engine that is well maintained is much better than petrol engines.

First part, I agree with.

The second is wrong. That is what the article is about, even the new 'so called clean' diesel engines produce dangerous emissions. "Diesel produces fewer greenhouse gases than unleaded petrol but it is more dangerous to our health."

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by johnydep

I've said this before, diesel is more dangerous to our health than petrol. I'm beginning to hate diesel fuel, especially when driving behind a vehicle that uses it; that incluses new ones. I followed a Touareg and watched it blow a puff of black smoke every time it took off from the lights.

How important is your health and your families health?

Made a mistake, it was an Audi Q7 that was blowing out the black stuff :

[Fairlane]

Yeah i respect diesels in that yeah they cause less green house gas, but diesel fumes dont agree with me personally one bit.

Even when i get stuck behind the latest Diesel Landscruisers, BMW X5's, Toureg whatever, i still end up with switching the A/C to Recycle, or i end up coughing and splurting. I must admit trucks and the like have got a lot better with the new diesel brew, but i still feel particles in my eyes and cough and spurt-yeah diesel fumes really dont agree with my system.

I think diesel should continue to brought into line with other emissions, becuase hell we should, because if we can better particle filters,(better then EURO 3), etc, diesel could be a real saver with lesser greenhouse emissions and blenty of grunty torque.

Maybe ive been spoilt with LPG though, you can stand behind the most clapped out ex-taxi POS and still feel (maybe have a bit of a smell ) absolutely fine and not like you are going to choke to death on smoke.

[WayneHadfield]

Half the schit in petrol wouldn't be there if the idiots hadn't removed the lead (which wasn't harmful once it was combusted) in the first place, making it even cleaner than diesel.....but the uninformed preferred to poison us so the lead came out.

[Homer1]

I personally, would never buy a diesel vehicle unless I have to tow something everyday.

[paulie0735]

We'll all be back on the 'hay burners' before you know it! 'methane anybody??

[Bill_R]

Originally Posted by WayneHadfield

Half the schit in petrol wouldn't be there if the idiots hadn't removed the lead (which wasn't harmful once it was combusted) in the first place, making it even cleaner than diesel.....but the uninformed preferred to poison us so the lead came out.

"harm" from the lead in Petrol wasn't the reason to remove it. The main reason was that the lead in the petrol was incompatible with the catalyst used in the catalytic converter (which was there to further reduce NOx emissions). IIRC they initially proposed a different catalyst but there wasn't enough of it around in the earth.
They played up the removal of lead as a health benefit but it was really a secondary effect - beneficial to remove it but not the primary aim.

[herbs]

Gee have a cry, I'll be thinking of you when you're behind my landcruiser at the lights. :

[johnydep]

Originally Posted by herbs

Gee have a cry, I'll be thinking of you when you're behind my landcruiser at the lights. :

Cheers, I'll wave as I overtake your brick :

[fou_bleu]

Diesel; more efficient, LESS STINKY!!! (unleaded makes me almost puke!) and AMG makes diesel convertibles which are incredibaly fast! Who says diesel sucks!

[sgt_doofey]

Originally Posted by fordman6

Who says diesel sucks!

Certainly not me as I drive one! A new(ish) Peugeot 307 2.0L Turbo Diesel. It comes standard with a particulate filter and doesn't blow out any black smoke. As a matter of fact, I could run my finger along the inside of the exhaust pipe and it would come out clean! Know of any petrol cars where you can do that? You can stand behind the car and it doesn't even smell of diesel at all.
I had a look at the web site for the green house emissions for cars, and it doesn't have my model of 307 on there, so I can't compare it to other cars. It seems that the models are out of date at least a year on Peugeot's.

[S3SR]

as if any one of those is gonna be better for you

bring on a diesel powered falcon, dont like diesel get the petrol or LPG models.....everyone wins.....dont like diesel smell, put your ac on circulate
dont like pollutiing the earth, plant a tree

nuclear.....well NO THANKYOU, we'd kill ourselves before any nuclear warfare even began....at the rate of dumb drivers crashing, this would NEVER happen

[Green X]

Couldn’t be ******** reading all that but

Oh Diesel is bad, yeah well petrol isn’t ********* that good for ya either

Lock your self in a garage with a diesel engine running> you will spew before you die, now do the same with a petrol engine just don’t make any plans for the rest of you life cause you will be dead.

What do you think, hall's cargo and supplies all over the world, runs the mining industry, trucking and shipping industry and generates back up power, F*king diesels cause they do it better and more efficiently than Petrol engines.

Used in underground mining they have many befits one of which is blowing up the mine is greatly reduced, which i feel is a good thing.

[exrtnz]

Originally Posted by Green X

Couldn’t be ******** reading all that but

Oh Diesel is bad, yeah well petrol isn’t ********* that good for ya either

Lock your self in a garage with a diesel engine running> you will spew before you die, now do the same with a petrol engine just don’t make any plans for the rest of you life cause you will be dead.

What do you think, hall's cargo and supplies all over the world, runs the mining industry, trucking and shipping industry and generates back up power, F*king diesels cause they do it better and more efficiently than Petrol engines.

Used in underground mining they have many befits one of which is blowing up the mine is greatly reduced, which i feel is a good thing.

Ever so true GreenX , diesel is alot more efficent but lpg can be just as efficent and cleaner again dunno about big mining generators underground running on it but we have a huge supply of it here so maybe theyll get equipment and some machinery to run on it could cut costs.

[XR8Master]

Originally Posted by xdc351

Until every car in the country is running hydrogen (which has nothing but water coming out the exhaust) your causing health problems.

LPG is as close as we have to a genuine zero toxin fuel, everyone else is kidding themselves.

It will be a long long long time before everyone has a hydrogen car, petrol cars will probably still be here in 30-50 years

[vztrt]

Originally Posted by xdc351

Until every car in the country is running hydrogen (which has nothing but water coming out the exhaust) your causing health problems.

Actually finding a way to run on car hydrogen, like you would a normal engine. Has found that it releases CO2. But not like current motors.

[OzJavelin]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Cheers, I'll wave as I overtake your brick :

[schmidty]

Anyone that still views diesels as dirty rattling old chuggers, really needs to get out and drive te new gen diesels.

A mates mum's new 2.0 TDI golf gets over 1000km every tank on just on 50L of diesel. Also mentioned one the other day he had been in that's been tuned, runs about 4.4L per 100km on the freeway, and will embarrass and falcon or commodore at the lights. Clean as a whistle, and torque that will blow away any negative thoughts on performance.

Is a golf can do 4.4L per 100km on diesel, and in a V8 petrol 100 series i think we averaged about 18L per 100km on the highway going to Winton, what's worse for your health at the end of the day? 44L per 1000km in the golf, or 180L of ULP in the cruiser.

I feel that the fuel efficient clean diesels should be encouraged, but more emphasis needs to be put on campaigning to ensure that all new diesels sold are fitted with the particulate filter.

[schmidty]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Cheers, I'll wave as I overtake your brick :

Driven a TD with a 5spd auto? Think you'd be suprised how much trouble you'd have leaving it behind. And when the new TT V8 Diesel is out in the new wagons, it'll chew your terri up and spit it out.

I towed 2000km round trip in the TD 100, 1000km up to sydney on 128L of diesel towing an empty tandem car trailer, filled up 10km down the road afteri picked the car up, used 122L on the return trip driving at 110 instead of 120 on the way up with an xr6 sedan on the trailer, about 2400kg. My mates 04 terri struggled to get that kind of economy on the highway without even thinking about towing.

Horses for courses though, landcruiser was about 73k on the road, terri will leave you with a decent wad of leftover cash, but you'd need it to keep up with the repairs d out in the bush!

We had a terri come 4 wheel driving with us, very sedate day because we had the terri and an x trail, and still managed to to do 6k worth of damage to the terri. X trail went home wihout a scratch. Ha.

[the_scotsman]

Completely agree with schmitdy...new gen diesels are just as rapid as their petrol counterparts...if a Diesel Falcon was available, I'd seriously consider it...also would go the TD Terry....

And who can argue with the fuel consumption that ***** all over petrol...it's still as popular as petrol over in the UK...that's one thing that amazed me when I arrived over in Australia, the very few diesels driving around...?

[chevypower]

I've said this before (and I will say it again) don't blame the diesel engine, blame the diesel fuel. The diesel engine is not restricted to run on the crap the oil companies offer us at the pump.

[Cracka20]

Originally Posted by johnydep

Cheers, I'll wave as I overtake your brick :

The Cruiser WILL catch you at every speed hump! :

[Green X]

Originally Posted by exrtnz

Ever so true GreenX , diesel is alot more efficent but lpg can be just as efficent and cleaner again dunno about big mining generators underground running on it but we have a huge supply of it here so maybe theyll get equipment and some machinery to run on it could cut costs.

Joint Diesel/LPG is a option that is used around the place, more power close to 20% from memory and even better fuel economy is achieved, A small amount of LPG is bled in to the air charge as it is drawn into the cylinder, and the LPG can be switched on and off as you wish.

For the record i have 2 petrol cars well a car and 4WD but i also recognise a diesel engines benefits in different arias and what it has done for us.

[ltd]

Diesels are expensive to run. Ever tried to gap the spark plugs on a diesel?
We need diesels here more than ever but before we can do that we need to get rid of a lot of the crap that the refiners leave in it. Getting rid of sulphur for one will work miracles. When they reduced the sulphur to less than 500ppm a lot of older diesels blew pump seals etc; they should have removed all the sulphur then although the technology may not have enabled it.
I guess one problem is the cost. When you leave diesel in the distillation column for longer it adds to the cost.
Look at marine diesel, whenever shipping companies buy it they need thousands of litres and therefore it is fairly unrefined to cut costs.
No easy answer.