Victoria Police Article

[Bobman]

http://news.ninemsn.com.au/article.a...32&_cobr=optus

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i hope they crush his car

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by |||

i hope they crush his car

Agreed.

However the female is slightly to blame, because she did not refuse more alcohol. This is a problem with girls these days, who love to get drunk but ignore any possible and obvious consequence of those actions.

[kyro_02]

he probably felt "led one" (damn they're good at it lol) then he thought it wasn't a problem.

but i'd have to blame him, by the article(as much as they like to twist the story) he was well aware of what he was doing and her condition?

hehe

[RG]

Originally Posted by Bobman

Agreed.

However the female is slightly to blame, because she did not refuse more alcohol. This is a problem with girls these days, who love to get drunk but ignore any possible and obvious consequence of those actions.

How true that is, example;
I work in Security at Federation Square and see all the sights, last Saturday night I noticed a young female, very very attractive (Bloody HOT) wearing bugger all. She was so drunk her eyes were rolling back in her head (all class) as she walked and she dropped her phone 3 times just trying to use it. I aske dher is she wanted a taxi (she was in no state to be out at 11 at night alone in the city) to which she told me she wanted to go drink more and that I could bugger off (slighty stronger language may have been used, as I said all class). If any guy wanted to rape her she would have made an easy target, and that is exactly what I thought when I saw her, hence me asking if she wanted a taxi home.

While she should be able to be like that in public without the fear of rape, unfortunately that is not the society that we currently live in. Hell a 19 y.o kid got stabbed the same night at the same place only a few hours later, and another got glassed at a pub there at the same time. His crime was that he looked at someone the wrong way...

[05MkIIFutura]

I personally find this story more disturbing http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-t...766712710.html

Crush his car and put it on youtube

[Bobman]

Red,

So true. You'd see a lot being in Security in the City. A friend of mine works just up on Lonsdale Street at a club. Every weekend he sees those sorts of things, girls acting provocatively, etc, wanting to drink more and more.

Yes it is the world we live in now, people should take more responsibility for their own actions. It's sad to see all the stabbings and people more happy to actually use knives these days.

Stay safe.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by 05MkIIFutura

I personally find this story more disturbing http://www.smh.com.au/news/unusual-t...766712710.html

Crush his car and put it on youtube

Lol. I remember an article aswell about a guy marrying his mother or similar, overseas?

There are some crazy tales that come out of India.

[BA_Turbs]

I think we'll find the policeman gets aquitted of this.

I think what has actually happened here, reading between the lines of what has been reported, they've all got drunk and had a good time, then the next morning the 'victim' has got the guilts about cheating on her boyfriend so claimed it was not consensual.

It is a VERY common scenario.

[Bobman]

I'd say you're on the money, BA_Turbs.

Might be even more common as all those Christmas parties approach.

[jaydee]

Even if he does get off I'd say he'll be in the manure with his Mrs and internals for letting the little head overide the big head.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by jaydee

Even if he does get off I'd say he'll be in the manure with his Mrs and internals for letting the little head overide the big head.

The little heads have a mind of their own

[ford_gal_86]

If this satement is true: She tried to laugh off the incident, but when he kissed her later that night, she told him "you're mad and I love it".
Then sounds like she is leading him on. I know I'm a girl, but I do see girls out there leading guys on and giving them the wrong impression. Although if she was asleep then obviously she wasn't asking for it. Hmmm...

[3vXT]

She was asleep on a lounge.
I'm sorry but it doesn't matter what she was doing earlier in the night, doesn't give him the right to mess around with her while she's asleep.

I doubt this would even be discussed on here if they were anything other than cops.

[RG]

Originally Posted by ken2903

She was asleep on a lounge.
I'm sorry but it doesn't matter what she was doing earlier in the night, doesn't give him the right to mess around with her while she's asleep.

I doubt this would even be discussed on here if they were anything other than cops.

No it's not right, but it still happens. Not everyone on here is a cop basher, please don't try to turn another thread into something it is not.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by ken2903

She was asleep on a lounge.
I'm sorry but it doesn't matter what she was doing earlier in the night, doesn't give him the right to mess around with her while she's asleep.

I doubt this would even be discussed on here if they were anything other than cops.

I don't think anyone is condoning the actions of that evening. The point is made that she is partially responsible for the lead up of what happened. She was flirting and didn't mind being kissed. Hello? She should have been home with her boyfriend.

This thread would have been here regardless or not of who it was.

[3vXT]

Originally Posted by RedXR347

No it's not right, but it still happens.

Should women not drink? or not flirt with people?
The situation described in that link is different to drunk girls walking around in public, she was asleep on a lounge not wandering the streets at night.

[RG]

Originally Posted by ken2903

Should women not drink? or not flirt with people?
The situation described in that link is different to drunk girls walking around in public, she was asleep on a lounge not wandering the streets at night.

I take it that you know this case personally since you are taking this thread so personally.

[3vXT]

Nope, i'm just a little surprised that you or anyone else would place any blame on the woman in this case.
I just read the link again,
She left the function before him, went to sleep at her friends place and woke up with her pants half off and him touching her. WTF was he even doing there? She's got a boyfriend but he's got a wife and kids at home so he's no better.

Perhaps she shouldn't have been messing around earlier in the night but when she left the party or whatever that should be a clear enough message to him. Instead he gets someone to drive him to the place she's staying at and assaults her while she's asleep.

I admit theres probably more to it on both sides, but from whats been posted it seems pretty clear.

Obviously i wasn't there, i only know what is in the link. Do you know something else?

Originally Posted by Bobman

This thread would have been here regardless or not of who it was.

If you wanted to make a point about drunken women being partially at fault when they get raped this...
http://www.news.com.au/dailytelegrap...001021,00.html
...from only five days ago, would have been a more relevant article to post. Theres no police officers involved though.

[BA_Turbs]

We're all assuming she was asleep when the 'sexual assault' happened. We haven't read her statement or listened to his interview. Like I said earlier, reading between the lines, it was consensual, then all of a sudden she remembered she had a boyfriend AFTERWARDS, so changed her mind.

I also think that is exactly how a jury will hear it. We're not silly.

I don't think anyone here would ever suggest that a woman being drunk and flirtatious makes it ok to rape or sexually assault her.

[Bobman]

Precisely.

Well said, BA_Turbs.

[Scott]

lol @ ken, chill buddy. From reading the article, it seems that they were drunk, he was randy, she randy and was a tease, she went to a friends place, he was going home but probably asked the driver to drop him where he knew she was, he sat on the couch with her, he still thought she was up for it, she was too ****ed to know or push him away, he dropped her daks and had a fiddle, she sobered up pretty quick and told him to F off. Maybe she did consent and then get the guilts - who knows.

Pretty simple really, let the courts do their thing.

[4Vman]

There are new laws being proposed that mean being intoxicated will not be seen as an excuse for your behaviour...
Plenty of factors to consider here, including: "guilt" felt by the girl once she's sobber when reality striikes home and the reaction/influence of an angry "revenge seeking" boyfriend..

[Van D]

I do have trouble beleiving that she was asleep the whole time. How can you stay asleep while someone half undresses you, then starts to touch and kiss you?

It's a touchy subject but one i've kind of been involved in..

Late last year/early this year I was with a girl with a few problems (home/relationships etc). She was fairly flirty, especially when drunk, but it was kind of her nature. On schoolies after I left their place she was 'aparently' raped. She said that she woke up with one of my old friends inside her and then ran straight out.

At first I was disgusted with him and shocked/angry, then I remembered her nature, and his (he was a real nice guy). Then I heard her tell me she was still clothed (in shorts but still it 'somehow' happened) whilst asleep. She'd also had many past experiences with people taking, or trying to take 'advantage' of her.

I added it all up and just left her behind (figuratively, lol). On that perticular night I have little doubt that she had consensual sexual relations with him then felt guilty or was worried i'd find out.

Yet, if it was reported in the news as a 'rape on schoolies' etc, what would you be reading?

I'm not saying the female officer is lying, but I do find it hard to beleive that's the truth.

[3vXT]

Sorry, i made a mistake. Silly me read the actual words...

The court heard the constable had fallen asleep in her friend's lounge room fully clothed, but awoke to feel the sergeant touching her inappropriately and her pants partially off.

...when i should have been reading between the lines.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

EDIT: I've made my point, i'll leave it to everyone else.

[Van D]

Originally Posted by ken2903

Sorry, i made a mistake. Silly me read the actual words...

...when i should have been reading between the lines.

Sorry for the misunderstanding.

EDIT: I've made my point, i'll leave it to everyone else.

You're reading the 'actual' words of a reporter though. And just because the court 'heard' that, just mean it's truth.

[Bobman]

Originally Posted by Van D

I'm not saying the female officer is lying, but I do find it hard to beleive that's the truth.

I feel for the friend in that circumstance.

I have lost count on how many times I've heard of Rape cases, in particular in Melbourne. Where the girl had called police, etc. Upon arrival of ambulance crews, everything suddenly hit home and the claims were then dropped as it had become "heavy".

Reading that link that was posted on here too in regards to "Yes means No", this is very concerning. I can't see how anyone can find it attractive for a girl to be out on weekends with shorts barely covering anything and a G banger hanging out, all whilst her make up is smudged. Common occurence every weekend.

Problem is, it's only going to become worse and worse as Alcohol & Drugs are ever so popular in this day and age.

[VSSII]

The charge will probably fall over. But he'll no doubt lose his job and his wife. Worse than any fine or good behaviour bond he would have received

[blk_frmnt]

Cases like this worry me. Without any obvious signs of rape, ie bruises or marks on her body, witnesses, etc, no one can ever be sure about what happened. It's ridiculous and should also be very worrying for all men when a woman can use the excuse of "I was drunk when I said "yes", so it actually meant "no"".

Not that I mean to say that this was necessarily the case with this incident, the article is a bit vague in places. But just think about how easy it would be for someone to cry 'rape!' if they turn out to regret their actions the night before, and how easy you could be locked up...

[Interceptor]

Originally Posted by blk_frmnt

Cases like this worry me. Without any obvious signs of rape, ie bruises or marks on her body, witnesses, etc, no one can ever be sure about what happened. It's ridiculous and should also be very worrying for all men when a woman can use the excuse of "I was drunk when I said "yes", so it actually meant "no"".

indeed, too many guys get locked up for rape just because some stupid little either realises after the fact that she probably shouldnt have done it, or because the guy wont buy her all the nice things she demands.....