waste of money?

Ford_Boy · 02-12-2006, 11:55 PM

i know an 18 year old on his red p's. he just bought a vt ss with clubsport body kit and exaust off his dad. his dad said that if he wants to risk the law and waste his money then he is not going to stop him. does anyone think that he wont get a km from his house before getting fined and losing demerit points?

i suppose he can bluff and say its a 6 with a body kit but the cops would most likely see through it.

so what do you guys all think? waste of money or who cares?

P6LTD351 · 02-12-2006, 11:58 PM

It's his decision but I like his dad's attitude. Too many parents rescue their kids. His dad his stated his opinion, now it's up to your friend to deal with any consequences that arise. I don't think the cops will be fooled with it being claimed to be a 6.

XR8-260 · 03-12-2006, 12:00 AM

I think he is stupid in buying a car which will stick out like so easily - he's asking to be busted...

However, the law is also stupid in not allowing P platers to drive V8s. The VT series I SS only has 179kw (i know many are optioned with the 195kw donk). My BA 6 has more power and is still legal. Where's the sense?

Ford_Boy · 03-12-2006, 12:05 AM

his is a vt 2 ss with a body it and a loud zorst. it looks 60 grand but i think he may have gotten it for 10-12 grand. i think its pretty stupid of him because it stands out but really its pretty crap how you cant drive a car with a v8 or turbo until you have you full license. i hope he gets away with it but i doubt it. he should have just saved the cash and bought a better car in a few years time.

XR8-260 · 03-12-2006, 12:08 AM

I love WA... No P Plate restrictions

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Ford_Boy · 03-12-2006, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

I love WA... No P Plate restrictions

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its pretty sad how some states enforce unfair laws while others parts of the country continue to do the opposite. its not like we are all so different. they should have the same laws when it comes to things like this. if i got my p's in w.a does that mean if i went back to nsw i could continue to drive an 8 ?

XR8-260 · 03-12-2006, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

its pretty sad how some states enforce unfair laws while others parts of the country continue to do the opposite. its not like we are all so different. they should have the same laws when it comes to things like this. if i got my p's in w.a does that mean if i went back to nsw i could continue to drive an 8 ?

You're right it is unfair. I'm very surprised why WA hasn't take the same steps like the eastern states have.

JC · 03-12-2006, 12:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

i know an 18 year old on his red p's. he just bought a vt ss with clubsport body kit and exaust off his dad. his dad said that if he wants to risk the law and waste his money then he is not going to stop him. does anyone think that he wont get a km from his house before getting fined and losing demerit points?

i suppose he can bluff and say its a 6 with a body kit but the cops would most likely see through it.

so what do you guys all think? waste of money or who cares?

Given all the P plate idiots that kill themselves and their friends in their low powered VNs and EAs, older skylines etc, does it really matter what they drive? But, the law says he can't drive it, so I say his dad is irresponsible for actually selling it to him. His dad will be the first to ask "Why" if his son turns up on the 6.00pm news wrapped around a pole/tree/other car.

P6LTD351 · 03-12-2006, 12:27 AM

sorry I read the initial post wrong. i didn't know it was his dad that sold it to him. I agree JC, his dad IS irresponsible for selling it to him. Too many people disregard the law. I don't care if they kill themselves, but it unfortunately often involves innonent people (not to mention the families of the irresponsible little s..ts).

XR8-260 · 03-12-2006, 12:28 AM

I still reckon the law is BS. How can they ban older V8s (e.g. VN/VS etc.) but allow modern 6s (aurion?) which have far more power? It should operate on a power to weight basis rather than assuming that "all V8s are evil"

P6LTD351 · 03-12-2006, 12:37 AM

I actually don't think there should be ANY restrictions, the kids can do the same damage in a 6 if they're idiots that they can in an 8. HOWEVER, if it's LAW, it's LAW and kids should be told to repect the law that is currently in place. Sure, try to change the law through campaigns, that's fine. I'm sick of people complaining about speed cameras and the like. We all know they are revenue raisers. BUT, if you don't speed, you don't get busted. Simple. isn't it? My cousin died a few years back from speeding. It destroyed me. Doesn't change the fact that it was HIS fault. Unfortunately we live in a society where people look to blame others instead of taking responsibility for their own actions. There. Rant Over

uranium_death · 03-12-2006, 01:02 AM

Waste of money.
For now, drive in a regular bum car, get increasingly comfortable with driving sensibly and forget about appearing to be some cool guy in a cool car. You can't drive if you aren't alive.

XR8-260 · 03-12-2006, 01:06 AM

Keep the car but get rid of the SS badge and replace it with the S one. May even fool the cops

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uranium_death · 03-12-2006, 01:07 AM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

Keep the car but get rid of the SS badge and replace it with the S one. May even fool the cops

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Until they hear the exhaust, ask him to pop the hood then disallow him to drive the car.

Ford_Boy · 03-12-2006, 01:22 AM

my dad grew up driving an lj torana xu1. he lost his license but turned out fine. now he has a gt. i cant see why people in the past could have grown up with these powerful cars but now all of a sudden this generation is deemed irresponsible because a small minority of people wrap themselves around poles. not everyone with a turbo or v8 are going to die on the roads. you could be any age and in any car to have an accident. if its such a big deal then why arnt all the states following these rules? his dad isnt that irresponsible. he trusts his driving and he warned him that he will lose out if he is caught. he is letting him make his own mistake. the guys 18 he is an adult and if he wants to risk it then he will be punished by the law like an adult. his dad can always give his money back when he loses his license lol

havoc19 · 03-12-2006, 01:36 AM

im from s.a we have the new bullshit p1 p2 system but no restrictions on what we can drive and even if we did id break them anyway becoz like everybody points out new 6s are more powerful and faster then most old v8s anyway so *** the double standard laws if he gets caught he gets punished simple

XR8-260 · 03-12-2006, 01:37 AM

Come to think of it... Your friend should just not put up any P Plates when he drives. Cops will only pull you over if you are doing something wrong. So just drive without your P Plates (drive sensibly - so the cops have no reason to pull you over) and you'll never get caught

brenx · 03-12-2006, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

i know an 18 year old on his red p's. he just bought a vt ss with clubsport body kit and exaust off his dad. his dad said that if he wants to risk the law and waste his money then he is not going to stop him. does anyone think that he wont get a km from his house before getting fined and losing demerit points?

i suppose he can bluff and say its a 6 with a body kit but the cops would most likely see through it.

so what do you guys all think? waste of money or who cares?

Some people have to learn the hard way inc parents. My mum and dad made my buy a good car for my 1st car, same with my sister. It's best to buy a crapper when you 1st get your p's. 3mths, I'd written it off and had a few other dents. My sister? She also wrote her car off. Her 1st car cost $10,000 and didn't last 12mths.

Many people I know have done similar to the above. It's just the experience of learning to drive.

Ford_Boy · 03-12-2006, 01:48 AM

Come to think of it... Your friend should just not put up any P Plates when he drives. Cops will only pull you over if you are doing something wrong. So just drive without your P Plates (drive sensibly - so the cops have no reason to pull you over) and you'll never get caught:

bad move. if he has a random breath test they will see his lisence and fine him for having no ps on the car then see his v8 and fine and take points off.

Many people I know have done similar to the above. It's just the experience of learning to drive:

his alright. its his 3rd. he crashed his first. a mirage, not his fault. he had his vt 6cylinda for 6 months now no problems. now his got the ss. he shuld be okay driving but i think he wont get away with it

sorry i didnt quote the replies properly

eb91xr6 · 03-12-2006, 02:39 AM

my mate baught a S14 2 days ago with a SR20DET in it and he has spun it out twice and smacked up the *** of some one, he shouldnt have baught a turbo, im on my p's till im 21.5 dues to a few ofences but having the old falcon all iv ever done is smashed 1 diff, wreaked 1 gearbox, blown 1 diff, and the diff that i bent was due to going up a gutter too fast, when your 16 with stock suspention u think its a 4wd, well difs aint that strong i lernt the hard way, but never hit another car in it and im glad i have a NA 5speed 6 all the power i need, its got enough to kill myself but not too much, i think its a good idea bringing in the ban turbo idea but not V8s, i drive my old mans STI around and that thing has scared the shit out of me and its awd,

eb91xr6 · 03-12-2006, 02:40 AM

why can i say shit but not @ss

Lukeyson · 03-12-2006, 03:22 AM

he would be an idiot, my bro is on his 2nd year of green P's (he was just in before the new V8 law came in) and he has a BA XR8, and always gets pulled over cops making sure he is ok to drive.

BeStRaFe · 03-12-2006, 07:13 AM

the police are verry over zelous with these laws..

i am a green p-plater 2nd year...
i owned a toyota sorer LS400 V8

it was a SLUG, my new falcon has more power then it...
and its a restricted vehicle...

unless you are driving an obvious restricted car.. you wont get pulled..

but if you do get pulled its your fault... live withthe concequences ... OR GET AN EXEMPTION!!

xbcool · 03-12-2006, 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Ford_Boy

i know an 18 year old on his red p's. he just bought a vt ss with clubsport body kit and exaust off his dad. his dad said that if he wants to risk the law and waste his money then he is not going to stop him. does anyone think that he wont get a km from his house before getting fined and losing demerit points?

i suppose he can bluff and say its a 6 with a body kit but the cops would most likely see through it.

so what do you guys all think? waste of money or who cares?

I hope your mate is prepared for the fines and loss of licence and possibly car if he gets caught.

old saying :do the crime do the time

GXL078 · 03-12-2006, 09:29 AM

I thought it was legal to drive a V8 if it was THE family car????

Steffo · 03-12-2006, 12:01 PM

I had the option of an AUII TE50 and I really wanted one. But the law stuffed me up. Rather then buy an unsafe POS and wait it out (3 years is a long time to drive a POS) I instead bought a brand new Ford Fiesta Zetec, and I'm loving every second of it. Of course once I'm on my full licence I'll most likely own something large, rear wheel drive, of inline-six cylinder and turbocharged configuration. 100 points to guess what it'll be

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andrewts · 03-12-2006, 12:07 PM

I'd just spend $900 on a crap old EA or something, more than enough power I reckon. Waste of money.

MoreHPformyXR6 · 03-12-2006, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

I love WA... No P Plate restrictions

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Not that this applies to me but SA is the same (no P plate restrictions)

My first car was a HJ Prem that had a 308 Turbo 400 (that I had a mild to warm 327 built & put in & same trans - with shift kit & hi-stall & ran a flat 14)

Steffo · 03-12-2006, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by xcgxl

I thought it was legal to drive a V8 if it was THE family car????

That would require the vehicle to NOT be in the kid's name, but in the father and/or mother's.

XFshep · 03-12-2006, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by 30487256

You're right it is unfair. I'm very surprised why WA hasn't take the same steps like the eastern states have.

guess its the same reason we dont have to continually drag our ***** into the DMV to get roadworthy certificates all the time.

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