![]() |
|
Welcome to the Australian Ford Forums forum. You are currently viewing our boards as a guest which gives you limited access to view most discussions and inserts advertising. By joining our free community you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members, respond to polls, upload content and access many other special features without post based advertising banners. Registration is simple and absolutely free so please, join our community today! If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact us. Please Note: All new registrations go through a manual approval queue to keep spammers out. This is checked twice each day so there will be a delay before your registration is activated. |
|
The Pub For General Automotive Related Talk |
![]() |
|
Thread Tools | Display Modes |
![]() |
#1 | ||
Donating Member
![]() Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 12,132
|
Ranger number 1 for the month, Ford up 60% and in number 3 for July.
https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...urns-to-normal Top 10 Brands - Toyota 19,191 Down 1.9% Mazda 8307 Up 5.4% Ford 7109 Up 60.1% Hyundai 6521 Down 4.0% Kia 6150 Down 8.4% MG 5347 Up 77.2% Mitsubishi 4143 Down 26.2% Tesla 3934 Up >999% Subaru 3553 Up 25.9% Isuzu Ute 3340 Up 21.5% Top 10 Models - Ford Ranger: 5143 Toyota HiLux: 4670 MG ZS: 3852 Tesla Model Y: 3330 Toyota RAV4: 2750 Toyota Corolla: 2145 Isuzu D-Max: 2070 Hyundai i30: 1865 Toyota Prado: 1836 Mitsubishi Outlander: 1778
__________________
PX MK II Ranger FG XR6 FG X XR8 Mustang GT T3 TS50 - gone but not forgotten |
||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#2 | ||
Donating Member
![]() Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 12,132
|
Ford Numbers
Ford Escape – 303 Ford Everest – 1288 Ford Fiesta – 5 Ford Focus – 0 Ford Mustang – 120 Ford Puma – 123 Ford Ranger 4x2 – 315 Ford Ranger 4x4 – 4828 Ford Transit Bus – 0 Ford Transit Custom – 117 Ford Transit Heavy – 10 Ford Total – 7109
__________________
PX MK II Ranger FG XR6 FG X XR8 Mustang GT T3 TS50 - gone but not forgotten |
||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#3 | ||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 48,986
|
Look at MG up on the sales charts - this is because everyone else abandoned the cheap segment to them and now prices are going up and up and up.
Ford Puma numbers laughable as always, 4x2 Ranger is back down in numbers when it was doing 400-500 month. Ford Puma is a problem, they pump the advertising but the market isn't interested - they sell nearly as many Transits and Mustangs as their entry level market proposition. There's that many Gen Y/Gen Z women that the Puma should be flying off the shelves for but its not converting into sales. |
||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#4 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melb.
Posts: 4,432
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
2 users like this post: |
![]() |
#5 | |||
Ford screwed the Falcon
Join Date: Sep 2013
Posts: 7,026
|
Quote:
__________________
Falcon: 1960 - 2016 My cars Current ride 2016 FG X XR6 - 6 speed manual Previous rides 2009 FG XR6 - 6 speed auto 2006 BF MkII XT ESP - 6 speed auto 2003 BA XT V8 - 5 speed manual 1999 AU Forte - 5 speed manual 1997 EL Fairmont - 4 speed auto 1990 EAII Fairmont Ghia - 4 speed auto |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#6 | ||||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,442
|
Quote:
Quote:
There’s no stock of Puma. Check dealers ! Obviously Ford Ute can’t get them from FOE. If Ford had stock they should sell 1500 month |
||||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#7 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Feb 2010
Location: Geelong
Posts: 1,713
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#8 | |||
Donating Member
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,646
|
Quote:
It’s a great little car, it looks really nice, I wish we had the glass roof. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
4 users like this post: |
![]() |
#9 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 48,986
|
Quote:
You can see where all the effort goes, if suddenly Ford Australia got cut off from Ranger and Everest, I bet they'd put on a real big song and dance to keep those coming in ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#10 | |||
Donating Member
![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 5,646
|
Quote:
I wonder how many sales are lost at those enquiries at dealerships ? What’s the wait on an MG in that class ? 15 minutes ? |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#11 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 48,986
|
Quote:
So there's new cars about without ridiculous wait times like 8 months. Availability is a huge part of selling any product, I wouldn't wait 8 months for a car thats for sure. Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 04-08-2023 at 07:04 PM. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#12 | |||
Donating Member
![]() Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 12,132
|
Quote:
![]()
__________________
PX MK II Ranger FG XR6 FG X XR8 Mustang GT T3 TS50 - gone but not forgotten |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
3 users like this post: |
![]() |
#13 | |||
Donating Member
![]() Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 12,132
|
Quote:
But...........I think those who do manage to get a test drive might be put off by the gruff sounding engine. I like it because it's got some character to it, even if it has no top end power. For a torquey run around, its feels very nippy without having to deal with diesel issues or the expense of a hybrid.
__________________
PX MK II Ranger FG XR6 FG X XR8 Mustang GT T3 TS50 - gone but not forgotten |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#15 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 48,986
|
Quote:
They've got circa 20 options to choose from on their website. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#16 | ||
Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Woodcroft S.A.
Posts: 21,469
|
With no local factory to support I can't see why a manufacturer would care if they aren't competing in every segment, or even about vfacts figures. Apart from a handful of people of AFF, who else actually cares about sales figures of cars?
Ford Rangers and Everest start at about $60k and they sold around 6000 of them. They're probably making more coin now than when they sold 10000 falcons a month.
__________________
UA2 TREND 4WD BI TURBO |
||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#17 | ||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Apr 2005
Location: Canberra
Posts: 13,370
|
It's about the trends in the market. I couldn't give a **** either really when I drive a 20yr old car but would probably **** whip most of those in the top 10
![]() |
||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#18 | ||
Regular Member
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: victoria
Posts: 141
|
took a Puma for a test drive last week, and it was nice....however, the missus didnt like the look of it....so we have decided on a Skoda Kamiq Monte Carlo instead....she loves it...
|
||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#19 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Aug 2005
Location: Melb.
Posts: 4,432
|
Quote:
The showroom had 7 or 8 Rangers inside all with sold signs on the windscreen and awaiting handover, not one was below Wildtrak spec...and I have to say the Ranger Platinum in Equinox looked incredible. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#20 | |||
Barra Turbo > V8
![]() ![]() Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 25,666
|
Quote:
__________________
-2011 XR6 Turbo Ute -2022 Hyundai Tucson Highlander Diesel N Line |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
4 users like this post: |
![]() |
#21 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 48,986
|
Quote:
I'd rather the Fiesta, same thing except it's smaller and lighter, so it'll use less fuel, steer/corner/accelerate better than the Puma. Puma is objectively worse in every metric compared to the Fiesta it's based on, like all SUVs - they're all compromises just like dual cab Thailand Specials where they do everything but nothing exceptionally. Just because Thailand Specials and SUVs are popular it doesn't mean they're good - MAFS is popular too but I don't see anyone here advocating it's the best thing on FTA TV ![]() |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#22 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,266
|
Quote:
Why would Ford even bother bringing in dealer stock on the hope of a maybe sale? Every place booked on a boat is precious, so I can’t see Ford reserving more places for European build cars when there’s at least eight months wait for vehicles like Puma. It’s sad because some of the vehicles Ford no longer builds (Fiesta & Focus?) could possibly be built in places like Thailand or South Africa for our RHD region without disrupting the rest of the Ford world, but yeah I know that business case is a pipe dream…. Last edited by jpd80; 05-08-2023 at 10:36 AM. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#23 | |||
Rob
Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Woodcroft S.A.
Posts: 21,469
|
Quote:
My daughter has an SA Focus. We have ZH Escape. They aren't much higher off the ground but it makes a lot of difference getting in and out. My folks traded their falcon on a Tucson. They'll never go back to a non suv. Being slightly higher off the ground is what the market wanted.
__________________
UA2 TREND 4WD BI TURBO |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#24 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,442
|
Quote:
I was going to get a Kamiq but Puma won with price. Kamiq is a great rig. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#25 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Jan 2010
Posts: 11,266
|
Quote:
The other thing is that Ford stopped building Fiesta last month so that option is now basically gone. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#26 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,442
|
Quote:
Ah Franco -you have never driven a Puma. Wife had a 2012 1.6 na Fiesta. I ve now got a 1.0 turbo 3 Puma. Fuel consumption is better on Puma. handling equal. braking equal Seat 100 points more better Tech 200 points better-acc blind spot assist rev camera You are wrong in this instance. However if your comparison is a Fiesta ST it is a draw -you would want acceleration as no 1 -I want economy comfort and easy entry exit higher car. |
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#27 | |||
FF.Com.Au Hardcore
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 3,442
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
This user likes this post: |
![]() |
#28 | ||||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 48,986
|
Quote:
Quote:
You're comparing apples and oranges between the NA Fiesta and the boosted Puma, one uses ye olde Ford Sigma engine with VVTI and the other is a modern turbo 1L 3 cylinder engine - compare it with a WZ Fiesta Sport which has the same engine as the Puma. We've got both a WZ ST Fiesta and a povvo spec 1.6L WS CL Fiesta - the WZ ST Fiesta uses less fuel than the naturally aspirated variant while making twice the power and torque, both 1.6L 4 cylinder engines but one dates back to the 1990s. I took said WZ Fiesta ST on a 4000km drive across VIC/NSW/QLD and ACT, and I've used it for Adelaide and return six times, I wouldn't say its 'uncomfortable' or 'difficult' to get in and out of but I suspect my tolerance is higher. We've got the least amount of choice ever in the new car market we've ever seen, you want something thats not an SUV or a Thailand Special then good luck. Two options under $60K for someone who wants something thats manual and boosted: Hyundai i30N Subaru WRX I think the problem is I actually enjoy driving, the people who buy SUVs use them to get from A-B and thats why a white goods manufacturer like Toyota dominates the market. Trying to change my opinion about SUVs and Thailand Specials, you'd have more luck convincing a brick wall ![]() Last edited by Franco Cozzo; 05-08-2023 at 11:14 AM. |
||||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
![]() |
#29 | ||
#neuteredlyfe
![]() ![]() Join Date: Apr 2012
Posts: 10,498
|
I know, off topic - but...
With all of this speak about seat height, I wonder how the seat height of a current SUV would compare to a HQ Kingswood / XA Falcon or a VN Commodore / EA Falcon. Speaking of which, same with ground clearances. I am only asking as since about 2002, sedans/wagons became more European like and became lower and lower. Was this in hindsight a mistake for Australia's market? If seating positions had remained static over the years with seat heights etc in sedans/wagons would the sedan or wagon still be popular? |
||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |
3 users like this post: |
![]() |
#30 | |||
Thailand Specials
Join Date: Aug 2009
Location: Centrefold Lounge
Posts: 48,986
|
Quote:
|
|||
![]() |
![]() ![]() |