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Strike while the iron is hot, the only forward delopyment US aircraft carrier (deployed to Japan) USS George Washington - isn't going home anytime soon - I think it's near Australian at the moment!
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This has been on the cards for years. A couple of years ago they even built a mockup flight deck on the roof of an office building.
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Meh, a legitamite superpower increases it's navy/airforce power. I really like how the article makes it out to be some huge military ramp up by China.
Doubt there will be an Taiwan specific conflict, China is just trying to project some power and security into the Asia Pacific region. Which is perfectly fine as it is an Asian nation (as opposed to the US trying to mantain itself as a hegemon in the post WWII/Cold War era) trying to exert some influence over the Asia Pacific region. The missiles could be used for anything, doesn't have to be US centric and I doubt China is going to role out all their new aircraft carriers to Taiwan. (If you're interested I'm a politics/IR/Security student at the moment with a focus on the Asia Pacific region, not trying to sound cocky, just want you to know I have, what I hope, is a slightly educated view on the Asia Pacific region) |
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There was a thread started a while back on Chinas Military Build up, it makes for good reading if you are interested in searching for it. |
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This is an ex Russian carrier bought incomplete. They where not supposed to use it for military purposes.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_...carrier_Varyag |
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Going by the furniture we get built in China for us at work, don't be too worried, lol.
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You do realise that China makes (and designs) its own fighters? Weapons systems, warships, missiles, rockets, radar, satellites etc etc etc... Basing your assumtions of chinese quality on crappy furniture is dangerous.
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Yes, this thread has been done before and yes that carrier is the former Soviet Aircraft Carrying Missile Cruiser Varyag.
One other thing: it's one thing to have an aircraft carrier, it's something else entirely to be able to use it as intended. That only comes with time and experience. China simply isnt going to be able to run out and start conducting flight ops efficiently with a view to mounting offensive operations in the manner the US does - it's going to take them years.
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Hmmm so it doesnt run under nuclear power according to Wikipedia. Surely that would hinder its operational area.
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Don't think the US would be too worried at this stage (or any country for that matter). Building a recycled carrier (which carries helicopters as opposed to fighter jets) is one thing and using it to the extent US, UK, France etc do is something else.
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China would be pretty foolish to take any action against another nation, China is in a very good position as it is, there really wouldn't be a need for China to attack anyone, and I doubt very much they would even be a threat to Australia, would they even have the capabilities?
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I got an email about what China have in the pipeline as far as aircraft carriers go.
This is the big daddy of them all:- These aircraft carriers look formidable and of ultra modern design. There are reports the 1st Chinese aircraft carrier is under construction and could enter service around 2015 or earlier. It won't be long before we see the real thing. Defense analysts are waiting; watching anxiously. ![]() ![]() ![]() THIS IS QUANTUM LEAP ABOVE ANYTHING WE HAVE ON THE DRAWING BOARD. THEY HAVE THOUGHT " OUTSIDE THE BOX " ON THIS ONE. BETTER SPEED, LARGER CAPACITY, MUCH MORE STABLE, ETC. DEFINITELY A " BLUE-WATER " LONG REACH VESSEL. PLUS THEY CAN SERVICE THEIR NUKE SUB FLEET IN-BETWEEN THE TWIN HULLS ( SIGHT UNSEEN ) OR EVEN LAUNCH AMPHIBIOUS OPPS FROM SAME. IT WILL BE LAUNCHED IN HALF THE TIME IT TAKES THE USA AT JUST ONE-THIRD THE COST. ADD THE NEW CHINESE STEALTH FIGHTER BOMBER ( NAVAL VERSION ALREADY FLIGHT TESTING ) IN THE MIX AND YOU HAVE THE MAKINGS OF A FORMIDABLE WEAPONS SYSTEM INDEED.. ALSO LOOK AT THAT EXTRA ''PARKING AND READINESS'' STATION BETWEEN BOTH HULL STRUCTURES.. AND OF COURSE THE LAUNCHING AND LANDING CAPABILITIES FROM THE UTILIZATION OF TWIN FLIGHT DECKS AT ONCE P.S. SOME THOUGHT SHOULD BE GIVEN TO ADVISING YOUR GRANDCHILDREN TO LEARN TO SPEAK MANDARIN ( FORGET SPANISH ) MY " VERY, VERY BRIGHT " 15-YEAR OLD 3rd COUSIN HAS ALREADY BEEN ADVISED TO DO SO BY PEOPLE WHO KNOW ABOUT SUCH THINGS. P.P.S SIX OF THESE VESSELS ( TWO PACIFIC, TWO ATLANTIC, ONE INDIAN OCEAN AND ONE MED SEA ) WOULD BE A PRETTY GOOD DIPLOMATIC " BIG STICK ". NOTE: THE CHINESE ARE ALREADY DRILLING FOR OIL OFF CUBA, BRAZIL AND VENEZUELA. CAN THEY BUILD A FLEET OF THESE THINGS ??? A FEW FACTS: THE CHINESE HAVE COMPLETED THE WORLD'S BIGGEST DAM ( THREE GORGES ), THE WORLD'S LONGEST OVER-WATER BRIDGE ( 65 TIMES AS MUCH STEEL AS IN THE EIFFEL TOWER ). CONSTRUCTED A 15,000 ' HIGH RAILROAD INTO TIBET (ALL CONSIDERED MAJOR ENGINEERING FEATS). THEY ARE THE ONLY NATION OTHER THAN RUSSIA THAT CAN LAUNCH MEN INTO OUTER SPACE ( USA'S CAPABILITY ENDS WITH THE LAST SPACE SHUTTLE LAUNCH THIS MONTH ). THEY HAVE ALSO SHOT DOWN A SURVEILLANCE SATELLITE ( ONE OF THEIR OWN ) FROM THE GROUND. PLUS THEY " OWN OUR *** " IN THE INTERNATIONAL DEBT GAME. CHINA'S NEW A/C CARRIER COULD BE TWICE AS FAST AS ANYTHING WE HAVE, PLUS THE STABILITY OF A CATAMARAN TYPE HULL WILL GREATLY REDUCE THE PITCHING, YAWING AND SWAYING COMMON TO OUR PRESENT DESIGNS P.S. sorry about the caps it was a cut & paste |
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lol, that's not an aircraft carrier, that's a floating joke.
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The problem with aircraft carriers, is they put a large portion of your military out in the "open". You lose Ground to Air defence you get around a land air base.
One guided missile to a land air base verus one to a very well positioned air craft carrier? The later is going to be worse off once struck. In the air refueling is your biggest threat, practically fly that tanker in, refuel and away it's gone, hard for that to happen with an aircraft carrier.
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China's military must be preparing for the day the US goes bust and they need to seize US assets.lol
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wait till they buy the nimitz class carriers at the mortgagee sale...
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How much do you think the whitehouse is worth? Here's a crazy fact. The US pays $1 billion of interest per day on their debt. |
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The Soviet Navy developed a regimental-strength attack strategy (using Backfire bombers and cruise missiles) against USN carrier battle groups because they determined that was the only way they could break through the battle group's air defences and mortally wound the carrier - at the cost of most of the attacking aircraft.
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I find it interested india also has an aircraft carrier i wasnt aware of this and ive heard india to is ramping up its military assets to deal with a more powerful china it will be interesting to watch when the new number 1 and number 2 economys of the world in future are right next door to each other and as china has money to burn id suggest nothing is impossible for them to build just look at the middle east and there crazy buildings and ideas!
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time to start making 2 billion bullets
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Ahh, the good old days when we used to have a carrier!....it'll be 30 years next year when this old girl was retired.....HMAS Melbourne......should have kept it and thrown a few Hornets on 'er
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The Melbourne was old and needed to be retired... Hornets wouldnt fit on its deck at all... but yes was a sad day for aussie naval aviation.
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