Greece what now - Page 3

The Yeti · 07-07-2015, 04:13 PM

The Greece situation is explained simply in this short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1Megzxf8g

blueoval · 07-07-2015, 04:56 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yeti

The Greece situation is explained simply in this short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1Megzxf8g

Stefan · 07-07-2015, 06:34 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yeti

The Greece situation is explained simply in this short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1Megzxf8g

GOLD!!!!

kaniSS · 13-07-2015, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by The Yeti

The Greece situation is explained simply in this short video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aa1Megzxf8g

" You Mad Bastard"

Syndrome · 13-07-2015, 03:06 PM

There is no hope of recovering the situation in Greece.

blueoval · 13-07-2015, 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Syndrome

There is no hope of recovering the situation in Greece.

Agree. Only postponing the inevitable with this bailout.

Syndrome · 13-07-2015, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by blueoval

Agree. Only postponing the inevitable with this bailout.

And each bailout to date has made the situation worse.

superyob · 08-07-2015, 12:06 PM

Thanks for your detailed answer JP. One more question if you please?

If 'Socialism is a socio economic system where the state (not the government) advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the community as a whole' , do fascist countries utilise the private sector in the same way that socialists command state resources? (Hope that made sense...)

Harrison · 08-07-2015, 12:23 PM

Politics in Australia seems to me a bit like Holden vs Ford Supercar racing, hollowed out shells providing an illusion of competition with internal machinations entirely controlled and regulated by an overseeing body.

Not so long ago the Liberal Party was far more socialist than the Labor Party of today in some respects. Now that asset sales are the flavour of the day and hard fought for workers' rights are in the process of being thoroughly eroded, the term' socialism' is being trampled into the dirt by the corporate propagandists (MSM).

Unfortunately we have been duped into believing that the right to vote is the bastion of democracy, rather than actually running a country according to the desires of the majority.

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/...ing-china-fta/

http://thenewdaily.com.au/news/2015/...et-deal-china/

As for Greece, NO was probably never really an option. The banksters don't give up easily.

This is interesting -

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/e...n-rumours.html

marty351 · 08-07-2015, 02:17 PM

I wonder is Mick Gatto and crew have been contacted to mediate this little problem?

**buggerlugs** · 09-07-2015, 08:44 AM

https://au.finance.yahoo.com/news/ch...081022355.html
Another one coming out and saying we are worrying about the wrong country......

Syndrome · 09-07-2015, 11:30 AM

The problem is Greece should never have been admitted to the EU in the first place. It was well known how the Greek economy operated and this was always going to be at odds when compared to the stronger EU members.

superyob · 09-07-2015, 01:30 PM

Loud_Noises, JP and Castellan; the subject of government would be an interesting thread discussion in its own right... Should I or someone create it so that we are not constantly straying off the topic of Greece and its financial woes?

Trump · 09-07-2015, 01:52 PM

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Originally Posted by superyob

Loud_Noises, JP and Castellan; the subject of government would be an interesting thread discussion in its own right... Should I or someone create it so that we are not constantly straying off the topic of Greece and its financial woes?

That would be fantastic, but I fear it wouldn't last long.

The reason it seems to stray off-topic is that Greece's ills (and ultimately any country that uses fractional reserve banking and has the outward appearance of a democracy) stem from a very poor comprehension of the nature of governance, legitimacy and credit creation

castellan · 09-07-2015, 04:24 PM

Their are wheels within wheels in everything and the human nature is, that corruption abounds in everything and every system you could think of.
Democracy does not save you, it's only a tool and what is needed is a healthy Democracy.

Is or was Greece a healthy Democracy ?
Is Australia a healthy Democracy, if not when and why did the rot set in.

If one is to put money in a bank, one would think that company has in place virtuous standards that could stand up to any scrutiny and it's the same with a government in all it's dealings and if not, that's what the governor general job it is to start cracking heads.

xwgs302 · 09-07-2015, 01:34 PM

I agree Syndrome.
The day the Euro started, word from relatives told of how expensive everything suddenly got, even for basic foods. Then went worse from then. If you had plenty of money, most would have invested it abroad, or stashed it in Swiss accounts and fudged the books.
In my opinion, they are trying tune an engine that's in need of a full rebuild, or tuning a broken Bouzouki.

My folks consider themselves more Mediterranean than European anyway.

Yellow_Festiva · 09-07-2015, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by xwgs302

I agree Syndrome.
The day the Euro started, word from relatives told of how expensive everything suddenly got, even for basic foods. Then went worse from then. If you had plenty of money, most would have invested it abroad, or stashed it in Swiss accounts and fudged the books.
In my opinion, they are trying tune an engine that's in need of a full rebuild, or tuning a broken Bouzouki.

My folks consider themselves more Mediterranean than European anyway.

Same thing happened in Italy.

JG66ME · 09-07-2015, 01:36 PM

Interesting read.

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer...-eurozone.html

Trump · 12-07-2015, 09:11 PM

http://www.theage.com.au/world/greek...12-giao2w.html

Harrison · 13-07-2015, 11:05 AM

http://www.globalresearch.ca/how-fas...greece/5462072

Yellow_Festiva · 13-07-2015, 05:30 PM

I want the drachma back because I collect the money from all the countries I visit and the euro has made it boring.

If only I was born 10 years earlier!

zoesgift · 13-07-2015, 05:41 PM

they bring the drachma back there will be a lot of expats who will be presenting to banks here wishing to convert their stashes of a long lost currency

Trump · 13-07-2015, 07:42 PM

So much for "people power":

http://www.theage.com.au/world/greec...13-gibbik.html

......g sellouts!!!

Franco Cozzo · 14-07-2015, 07:46 AM

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Originally Posted by Loud_Noises

So much for "people power":

http://www.theage.com.au/world/greec...13-gibbik.html

......g sellouts!!!

Germany couldn't control Europe with Hitler's tanks in the 1930s/40s so now they just do it with their banks.

castellan · 15-07-2015, 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

Germany couldn't control Europe with Hitler's tanks in the 1930s/40s so now they just do it with their banks.

Is Germany the bad one in all this ?

I think it's the Greek nation that is the bad example.

The Italians and all the nations that are on the down ward path only have themselves to blame.

Just look at the USA they are just a joke, they have no hope at all and who could one point the finger at for it's foolishness.

The whole problem is the nations themselves.

I think it's the majority of people who do not understand reality and many are being mislead by their degenerate governments and media we unfortunately have nowadays.
I hear so much foolish rubbish all the time by wage earning people.
I don't know where they get all there nonsense from.

Now how's this one that I have had tossed at me, didn't you know we are a very rich nation ? You could of fooled me, I thought we were on our ****.
Most people who work for themselves know it for a fact and the rest live in some sort of dream world and start pushing all this fantasy world filth we see today.
There is no excuse at all for what is happening.

Franco Cozzo · 15-07-2015, 03:02 PM

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Originally Posted by castellan

I hear so much foolish rubbish all the time by wage earning people.
I don't know where they get all there nonsense from.

Now how's this one that I have had tossed at me, didn't you know we are a very rich nation ? You could of fooled me, I thought we were on our ****.
Most people who work for themselves know it for a fact and the rest live in some sort of dream world and start pushing all this fantasy world filth we see today.
There is no excuse at all for what is happening.

I own a small business too, the difference is I don't look down on people as only 'wage earners'.

The banks took a gamble and lost, all this talk about anti socialism but they were the first to hold out their hands in the GFC crying for government money.

Its alright for the banks to hold their hand out but when the little guy does it they're the worst in the world.

Attitude is prevalent everywhere in this society, multi-nationals avoiding paying billions in taxes or banks and companies taking bailouts and handouts but thats fine, the dude in commission housing takes $250/week and gets lynched for it by the conservatives who don't want to pay any taxes just like the Greeks.

castellan · 15-07-2015, 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Damo

I own a small business too, the difference is I don't look down on people as only 'wage earners'.

The banks took a gamble and lost, all this talk about anti socialism but they were the first to hold out their hands in the GFC crying for government money.

Its alright for the banks to hold their hand out but when the little guy does it they're the worst in the world.

Attitude is prevalent everywhere in this society, multi-nationals avoiding paying billions in taxes or banks and companies taking bailouts and handouts but thats fine, the dude in commission housing takes $250/week and gets lynched for it by the conservatives who don't want to pay any taxes just like the Greeks.

It has nothing at all to do with looking down on wage earners at all.

The thing is that such people who only see from their little narrow point of view mainly never have a clue, because the fact is they never have to bother to look at the big picture at all and that where a lot of the total ignorance comes from.
It's like dealing with a child, and I know and don't expect to much from such, because how could such truly have a clue as they know bugger all about business, because the only way to truly understand it, is to have been dealing in it for years.

You are barking up the wrong tree when you mention conservatives, what you are on about is far right liberals and they are not conservatives at all.
A true conservative would never get into such a mess we see today at all and it is totally impossible for such, to be that foolish.

I do look down my nose at cunning far right liberals as low life grubs and also the far left fools. because I know why it is as so.

gcg2503 · 15-07-2015, 03:09 PM

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Originally Posted by castellan

Is Germany the bad one in all this ?

I think it's the Greek nation that is the bad example.

The Italians and all the nations that are on the down ward path only have themselves to blame.

Just look at the USA they are just a joke, they have no hope at all and who could one point the finger at for it's foolishness.

The whole problem is the nations themselves.

I think it's the majority of people who do not understand reality and many are being mislead by their degenerate governments and media we unfortunately have nowadays.
I hear so much foolish rubbish all the time by wage earning people.
I don't know where they get all there nonsense from.

Now how's this one that I have had tossed at me, didn't you know we are a very rich nation ? You could of fooled me, I thought we were on our ****.
Most people who work for themselves know it for a fact and the rest live in some sort of dream world and start pushing all this fantasy world filth we see today.
There is no excuse at all for what is happening.

And here I am thinking you only post rubbish in the Classic section.

The blatant arrogance displayed in this post beggars belief.

GREGL · 21-07-2015, 09:37 PM

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Originally Posted by castellan

Is Germany the bad one in all this ?

I think it's the Greek nation that is the bad example.

The Italians and all the nations that are on the down ward path only have themselves to blame.

Just look at the USA they are just a joke, they have no hope at all and who could one point the finger at for it's foolishness.

The whole problem is the nations themselves.

I think it's the majority of people who do not understand reality and many are being mislead by their degenerate governments and media we unfortunately have nowadays.
I hear so much foolish rubbish all the time by wage earning people.
I don't know where they get all there nonsense from.

Now how's this one that I have had tossed at me, didn't you know we are a very rich nation ? You could of fooled me, I thought we were on our ****.
Most people who work for themselves know it for a fact and the rest live in some sort of dream world and start pushing all this fantasy world filth we see today.
There is no excuse at all for what is happening.

I don't have enough time to really go in-depth with a reply to this narrow minded post, in cases like this I just wish there was a " what a load of crap " icon next to the " like " icon . That way members could exercise their right of reply without calling the poster a arrogant knob or some such .
Deadset, if you were that good a businessmen your business should have expanded by now whereby you would require at least one wage earner . I pity that person/persons who isn't entitled to an opinion lest it upsets the megalomaniac in charge . Then again Hitler was like that wasn't he ?
If your a one man band and happy doing your thing why berate everyone who makes the boss a living with the same biased brush .

Harrison · 22-07-2015, 10:40 AM

"Then again Hitler was like that wasn't he ?"

Ummm... no he wasn't.

"Hitler will emerge from the hatred that surrounds him now as one of the most significant figures who ever lived...
He had a mystery about him in the way that he lived and in the manner of his death that will live and grow after him.
He had in him the stuff of which legends are made."

- John F. Kennedy,
President of the
United States of America

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