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So you are saying that the issue with the Everest is acceptable because it was only in the seams(this was a recall issue for Ford, so there were more than one vehicle). Maybe the rust in the Chinese vehicle was an environmental issue and not a production issue.
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Sales on Chinese Made Vehicles are misleading.
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So.....show me the money....I'm thinking it's more likely...."we can charge more because demand is high and we don't build enough and it's also early days for early adopters"....yes I'm cynical....then if they used Aussie engineers, they would save more again... |
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I'm with you Dr.......
Though regards to the mention re "cost cutting" and Fox mentioned is going the less quality/shorter lifespan route, occured long before EV investment came into the equation. Sure the OE's had been starting the cost reports/studies etcetc and then Tesla hit the OE's jumped farfar quicker re EV's but the product/car quality as we knew it changed long before. OE's building plants in new lower labour cost countries - components from new sources reducing their cost etcetcetc Even as late as our local Falcon for eg, the AU interior was of higher quality than what was delivered for BSeries from 02. The euros was far above them all in quality look where that went, long before EV/Tesla launched in 08.
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I'm with FTE and Dr on this one, early adopter tax on EVs they're way simpler cars than traditional ICE, they would cost less to build. |
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The Mustang build quality just isn't good enough. But strangely enough, i've never heard americans complain about it. Which is probably why they consider it acceptable. I wonder if the feedback they would have got due to the amount of re-works required in australia to get panel alignment right ever flowed back to them, and if they ever acted on it. Quote:
It's not a common issue with Everest and Ranger. Not to say there hasn't been cases of it, as the recalled ones attest to. |
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With new EV's, pretty much everything bar interior bits and pieces has to be designed from scratch. I've had a Mach E up on the hoist, and underneath nothing looks like anything you would see in an ICE vehicle bar the suspension components. |
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The yanks are used to sub standard product period for decades. What do you expect for the prices they pay compared to the rest of world. If they whinged pricing would go up obviously then they’d whinge again lol….. You really agree a mustang is worth near triple figures - not me I tell you for the dough. They are like a Falcon there yet we pay euro price for them + Oz tax and obviously with hardly any competition under 100k it’s easy sell and profit. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
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Chinese companies haven’t done the hard years of experience with corrosion that the Americans, European, Japanese and Koreans have and solved years ago…. Amazing how many buyers think the shiny new penny will just stay that way… |
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https://www.carexpert.com.au/car-new...on-evs-in-2023 "The company still expects that the production costs versus revenue of its first-generation EVs will break even this year. The loss in the EV arm will come predominantly from significant investments in Ford’s EV manufacturing capability such as its newly built production sites in Kentucky and Tennessee. Ford’s investment in three EV and battery production plants is expected to cost the company around US$11.4 billion (A$15.7 billion) and create around 11,000 jobs. Additionally, Ford will continue to invest in battery technology, offering EVs powered by both nickel cobalt manganese (NMC) and lithium iron phosphate (LFP) batteries. Currently, the business from Ford’s combustion engine vehicles is funding the transition to electric vehicles."
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With the amount of EV’s i’ve seen pictures of on fire over the last few days i’m wondering when the alarm bells will start ringing. The video’s of Tesla’s spontaneously combusting are all over the socials atm. |
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In 2023 sales of Chinese made cars was 57% higher than their 2022 sales
https://www.news.com.au/technology/m...d5296fa5c4b804 How soon before Chinese passes Thailand as the larger source of vehicles for the Australian market?
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You could say they will be the supreme Bunnings of the impending auto duracel industry.
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Wouldn't the sheep be people buying ICE because that's what society has always done?!
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uh hum, ice is a known product whereas as quoted, sheeple will buy cheap EV's, price price get it ?!
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EV owners, by definition, can't be sheep.
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you need to understand yourself, in time as cheap chinese EV's keep coming to market the flock of sheeple grows.....
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iPhone users, for example, would be sheep because they're so many of them. Hilux and Ranger buyers are because people buy them to fit in the crowd.. EV buyers now are not sheep. They make up a tiny percentage of the cars sold. Maybe oneday the sheep will join the EVs. Just not yet. Sheep still buy ICE Though Within EV buyers , people who are buying Model 3/Y could be considered sheep.
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Why are we so quick to throw out one liners these days.
Super simple, manufacturers read the market, sometimes roll the dice, and sometimes do really well. Chinese are doing no different to any other country previously, pricing and flood markets to get people in and then hopefully they are good enough for a repeat buyer...then start raising the price. The "sheep" are doing what is best for them, thats democracy at work, if people are threatened then have these discussions with potential buyers but at the end of the day the bloke down the road can buy whatever he wants; particularly now where there is very little impact to local jobs. Im happy the Chinese are doing this, it will keep the others honest for a little while at least. Once the major guys come online then it will be another maket again but its certainly alot of talk at the moment so the next year or two should really should if EV is serious or not...we are still skirting around the edges.
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Tic Tok, Tic Tok. The Chinese government are just misunderstood.
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