VE 6.0L senator vs BA mk2 F6

[Cheech]

Originally Posted by teak81

Hold on this thread is about a Ba mk2 f6 verse a 6.0ltr hsv hence the 270 flywheel killawatts statement, and if said car is standard is the factory quoted power. My statement still stands and is valid no chance.

I agree with you ... I don't think the F6 will win.

Your post was "Ba f6 only has 270 flywheel kw mate no chance"
I don't agree with how this is phrased...in that you are qualifying that, as the
F6 has less peak power it won't win. It probably won't win as stock vs. stock the manual is slower down the quarter. I used the analogy of the Fg xr6t as it too has 270rwkw. If the B series F6 was an auto, I would back that to win.

[IceValk85]

i think the auto in the HSV is the key. the manual will loose too much boost in the shift.

if it was a BF F6 with a ZF i think there would be alot of commodore in the rear view mirror...

Ice

[EFFalcon]

I think less chit chat and just go race.

[DENKO]

Originally Posted by EFFalcon

I think less chit chat and just go race.

isnt this a forum?

[Rodge]

As others have noted the F6 manual will have to dump boost and spool-up again every time you do a gearchange so even if you get your launch and each gear change done and timed beautifully, (easier said than done), it'll still be about half a second slower than the same car equipped with a ZF box. That half a second is what will let the Senator in, IMO, but it should be very close. If you had the ZF euqipped F6 I'd have picked that on paper to be the winner. Have Fun

[blackf6]

Ba f6 manual 270 fly wheel kw vs ve 6.0ltr senator auto with 307 flywheel kw. Nuff said, i have an xr6t tuned to 270 rear wheel horsepower which translates to ruffly 270 fly wheel kw auto and i only beat a ve ss (270 fly wheel kw) by 1 car length. So 307 kw will be hard to beat.

[flappist]

Originally Posted by teak81

Ba f6 manual 270 fly wheel kw vs ve 6.0ltr senator auto with 307 flywheel kw. Nuff said, i have an xr6t tuned to 270 rear wheel horsepower which translates to ruffly 270 fly wheel kw auto and i only beat a ve ss (270 fly wheel kw) by 1 car length. So 307 kw will be hard to beat.

Well firstly a BA2 F6 demonstrates WAY more that 270kw, it is just badged that way.

Secondly kilowatts are for stickers, newton metres are for trophies.
Unfortunately most do not understand the difference.

Thirdly as almost all of people posting here have never actually driven either vehicle let alone both it is all just theoretical horse poo.

When the flag drops the bullcrap stops.......just go and drop the flag.....

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well firstly a BA2 F6 demonstrates WAY more that 270kw, it is just badged that way.

Secondly kilowatts are for stickers, newton metres are for trophies.
Unfortunately most do not understand the difference.

Thirdly as almost all of people posting here have never actually driven either vehicle let alone both it is all just theoretical horse poo.

When the flag drops the bullcrap stops.......just go and drop the flag.....

I agree just go and race. I have raced a bf f6 ute and beat him in my ba xr6t I have 270 rear heel horsepower, he gave me the thumbs up. I have raced a ve gts got totally beat. And a ve ss that i beat, so go figure.

[chris0]

Originally Posted by flappist

Well firstly a BA2 F6 demonstrates WAY more that 270kw, it is just badged that way.

Secondly kilowatts are for stickers, newton metres are for trophies.
Unfortunately most do not understand the difference.

Thirdly as almost all of people posting here have never actually driven either vehicle let alone both it is all just theoretical horse poo.

When the flag drops the bullcrap stops.......just go and drop the flag.....

True this.
And the fact that you get all the herbs pretty much from the get go (~2000rpm)
Back on topic...Close race, but F6 by a bonnet is my bet

[Cheech]

Originally Posted by teak81

Ba f6 manual 270 fly wheel kw vs ve 6.0ltr senator auto with 307 flywheel kw. Nuff said, i have an xr6t tuned to 270 rear wheel horsepower which translates to ruffly 270 fly wheel kw auto and i only beat a ve ss (270 fly wheel kw) by 1 car length. So 307 kw will be hard to beat.

hi teak, i'm not having a go here... but you're saying you've got a tuned xr6t that puts out 270rwhp. mate that equates to 201rwkw which is around the stock rwkw figure ?

[Cheech]

Originally Posted by Cheech

I agree with you ... I don't think the F6 will win.

Your post was "Ba f6 only has 270 flywheel kw mate no chance"
I don't agree with how this is phrased...in that you are qualifying that, as the
F6 has less peak power it won't win. It probably won't win as stock vs. stock the manual is slower down the quarter. I used the analogy of the Fg xr6t as it too has 270rwkw. If the B series F6 was an auto, I would back that to win.

meant 270 at flywheel

[Cheech]

Originally Posted by teak81

Ba f6 manual 270 fly wheel kw vs ve 6.0ltr senator auto with 307 flywheel kw. Nuff said, i have an xr6t tuned to 270 rear wheel horsepower which translates to ruffly 270 fly wheel kw auto and i only beat a ve ss (270 fly wheel kw) by 1 car length. So 307 kw will be hard to beat.

VE 6.2l GTS 325kw vs Hyper pro car 36kw

which do you think would win ?

The hyper pro does the quarter in 12 flat and 0-100 in less than 5 seconds.
It also only weighs around 185kgs with driver.

as flappist said peak power means nothing.

[Stav]

The f6 in manual form will beat the senator as long as you shift right and get decent tyres traction to smash it off the line.

[blackf6]

Originally Posted by Cheech

hi teak, i'm not having a go here... but you're saying you've got a tuned xr6t that puts out 270rwhp. mate that equates to 201rwkw which is around the stock rwkw figure ?

As we all know different dyno's give different readings, and what i am saying by quoting my dyno figures is that i have 270 flywheel kw like a ba f6 typhoon and that it isn't really that quick. Maybe i shouldn't have opened my mouth as in all seriousness I haven't driven or owned either and wouldn't have a clue who would win to be honest. Just given my own experience's, and my tune, thought i would have a stab in the dark about what outcome might be. Just go and race.

[MAGPIE]

Originally Posted by DENKO

hi guys,
Just trying to settle an arguement before i go to the track, Whats quicker from factory in 400m, BA mkII F6 Typhoon manual or VE 6.0L senator auto?

cheers denko

Have never understood these types of threads...

Trying to settle an argument before you go to the track, isn't that why you go to the track, to settle the argument

[Cheech]

Originally Posted by MAGPIE

Have never understood these types of threads...

Trying to settle an argument before you go to the track, isn't that why you go to the track, to settle the argument

i suppose he's looking at the maximum potential of each car before driver error/driving style is factored in.

eg. if you were to stick stephen richards in both cars on seperate runs, which would be faster.

[DENKO]

ok so we had a bit of a squirt (on private property) and it took me 2 attempts to snap him up, first launch bogged down, second launch found the right friction point, had to ride the clutch abit, and doing 5500rpm changes, got me half a car infront everytime!

[Windsor342ci]

Well done!! I had faith in ya buddy!!!