Launching off the Mark???

ILLaViTaR · 15-09-2007, 11:43 PM

I'm a complete newbie when It comes to launching.

I basically know what the term stall means and that's it.

I was told my ED 4.0 4 speed auto has a stall of 1500rpm.

What does that mean exactly?

Can't you bring it up to any rpm with ya foot on the brake?

Also I have been told to load up the torque converter.

What's the torque converter and how do I do as mentioned above?

As you can see I'm new to this and any help is appreciated.

EF Futura 07 · 16-09-2007, 12:00 AM

hey, you should have a stall of around 1700-1800 rpm. that means when in drive stationary and you nail it the revs will go upto 1800 before the car starts moving. yes you can stall it up with your foot on brake and foot on go fast pedal and you should get it close too 2000rpm. (although doing this regular will burn out your converter and may damage box). you will notice that when doing this the car will take off much harder as it is taking off @ whatever torque there is avaliable at 2000rpm(which should be around 300nm in a I6, someone??) rather than just off idle. hope that helps

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ILLaViTaR · 16-09-2007, 12:18 AM

ok thanks.

Yeah so stall limit is as high as you can get before the car starts moving?

Also is there anything I can buy so it wont damage the converter/box?

MotherNatureVer2 · 16-09-2007, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

ok thanks.

Also is there anything I can buy ............

Tickets to a drag strip I hope

ILLaViTaR · 16-09-2007, 12:21 PM

lol Yeah it'll be on the track.

I heard it's like $50.

How many races will $50 get me?

EF Futura 07 · 16-09-2007, 12:24 PM

lol, yes you can buy a manual conversion with some 3.7's

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ILLaViTaR · 16-09-2007, 01:21 PM

lol problem is I didn't get my manual license.

What do I have to do to get a manual license?

DEVL-XR · 16-09-2007, 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol problem is I didn't get my manual license.

What do I have to do to get a manual license?

Actually go for your manual license!

I dont even know why people bother with auto licenses, manuals aren't that hard to drive and even if you drive an auto, if you have a manual license at least you can drive your mates manual's if need be.

blur1 · 16-09-2007, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol problem is I didn't get my manual license.

What do I have to do to get a manual license?

change gears!

Rob · 16-09-2007, 03:02 PM

Technique wont make much difference, 1st gear in BTR 4sp is so long, corollas own you up to about 70kph....

ILLaViTaR · 16-09-2007, 04:33 PM

Can I skip first and launch in second?

Yeah, I got an auto because I was nervous as and didn't want to stall.

Anyway would I have to take the whole 20 minute test again? Including the low speed maneuver?

EF Futura 07 · 16-09-2007, 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by BLC

Technique wont make much difference, 1st gear in BTR 4sp is so long, corollas own you up to about 70kph....

LOL true dat, although only some

: i find that 40ks it starts to pull (3000rpm in first is peak torque and with 360nm and 1500kg ........

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and NO you cant skip first (it is an auto, it goes 1,2,3,4 you can stay in 2nd after about 70 because it wont kick down to 1st. 2nd gear pulls hard!!!!!)
ie manually put it in 2nd

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pauly85 · 16-09-2007, 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

Can I skip first and launch in second?

are you serious???

ILLaViTaR · 17-09-2007, 12:05 AM

Sorta lol.

Some guy Told me to do that but I don't see how it's physically possible since if I put it in 2 it starts in first anyway.

ILLaViTaR · 17-09-2007, 12:08 AM

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Originally Posted by BradensEBxr6

Actually go for your manual license!

I dont even know why people bother with auto licenses, manuals aren't that hard to drive and even if you drive an auto, if you have a manual license at least you can drive your mates manual's if need be.

With a manual test do I have to sit the entire 20 minute test again?

With the parking also?

[Tonko] · 17-09-2007, 12:35 AM

No, you can either wait until you're off your P's and get a full license or you have to drive with a person on their fulls (like L's) and have a Driver Under Instruction sign on the manual car...
This is Vic and what i was told...

ILLaViTaR · 17-09-2007, 01:13 AM

Argh.

Ah well I don't really mind, I'm not a powerhead, I just want to shut my mate with the VL up, his typical VL driver cockiness is driving me nuts.

MotherNatureVer2 · 17-09-2007, 09:46 AM

Dont panic too much about the auto/manual thing on a drag strip. My Sprint is an auto & we did fairly well when we took her down the track last year ;) Well runner up for a first try wasnt too bad I think :P

I found that auto was better as I wasnt worried about changing gears, just point & plant the foot. It is amazingly good fun, not as scary as you first think (the track just looks scary for the first time) ;)

As far as this VL v you I would suggest you spend your $50 or what ever it is a few times before you attempt to race him. Then you will be more relaxed and have more of an idea of reaction times and when to launch. He will more than likely have a few runs under his belt already so be prepared. Lets call it homework, just dont tell him your doing it :P

kabbart · 17-09-2007, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

Sorta lol.

Some guy Told me to do that but I don't see how it's physically possible since if I put it in 2 it starts in first anyway.

2nd is even longer then first dude

andrewts · 18-09-2007, 02:25 AM

Hey mate.

Put the car in Power mode, bury both pedals, and let go of the brakes when it is time to go. It is the fastest way. Yes there are people who change the gear manually, but they may be taking advantage of a high-end cam, or trying to get it to chirp into second, or just trying to make their car sound like a 4 speed manual. In a stock Falcon, it is just a case of pointing it straight and flooring it.

NC_GHIA · 18-09-2007, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

I'm a complete newbie when It comes to launching.

I basically know what the term stall means and that's it.

I was told my ED 4.0 4 speed auto has a stall of 1500rpm.

What does that mean exactly?

Can't you bring it up to any rpm with ya foot on the brake?

Also I have been told to load up the torque converter.

What's the torque converter and how do I do as mentioned above?

As you can see I'm new to this and any help is appreciated.

Okay first if you like your auto but want it to go harder (and spare a bit of dosh) go to your local Auto trans shop and ask them to beaf up your box, with things like a stage 2 shift kit, I'v heard there is a computer thing you can put on your box to make it shift harder but you wouldn't want to do that to a standard box it will put to much strain on your band and what not...
Also get them to put a bigger stronger band in with new clutch's (bassically a full rebuild to make it stronger and faster) with the company of a 2500 stally(torque converter) this will make your box build more rpm befor take off...

Price is probally going to be costly unless you can do it your self! But I am assuming that from your previous posts that you would probably pay some one to do it....

Cheers oh and I work in an Auto Trans shop so if you have any Q's I can find out for you...

Bill_R · 18-09-2007, 01:52 PM

Left foot on the brake and right on the accelerator. You can give the accelerator just a bit if you like.
You'd be surprised how many manuals you can get the jump on because they sit there with the clutch in and their right foot on the brake. By the time they get their foot off the brake and onto the accelerator you are well on your way.

OED666 · 18-09-2007, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Bill_R

Left foot on the brake and right on the accelerator. You can give the accelerator just a bit if you like.
You'd be surprised how many manuals you can get the jump on because they sit there with the clutch in and their right foot on the brake. By the time they get their foot off the brake and onto the accelerator you are well on your way.

thats probably why the southerners are faster down the qtr, as the strip must be down hill. in qld, its up a damn slope!!! the start is flat though, and i dont need my brakes on while i am waiting... clutch in, and i dial up 4-5000rpm...

and no wheelspin.

raised by monkeys · 18-09-2007, 03:49 PM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

lol problem is I didn't get my manual license.

What do I have to do to get a manual license?

Manual license????

what the hell?

ILLaViTaR · 18-09-2007, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by raised by monkeys

Manual license????

what the hell?

Lol you must be raised by monkeys

jjj · 18-09-2007, 06:25 PM

You should really get your manual license, illavitar.

Alot of jobs out there require you to have a manual license, especially if you want to work in the trades or as an apprentice.

Cheers................

webby_191189 · 18-09-2007, 06:26 PM

Put in a stall convertor and you can make your own electronic shift kits. Then Do a little skid to warm up the tyres. Then stall it up. Take foot of the brake and tramp the throttle. Just go out an old abandoned back road and dont tell anyone and you will be set.

webby_191189 · 18-09-2007, 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by jjj

You should really get your manual license, illavitar.

Alot of jobs out there require you to have a manual license, especially if you want to work in the trades or as an apprentice.

Cheers................

Auto licence FTL!!
Manual FTW!!

Try find a tradie who has an auto as there work vehicle. Very rare

ILLaViTaR · 19-09-2007, 12:59 AM

Yeah So what do I exactly have to do to get a manual license?

The complete test? Or will they just take me up the road and back because I already got an auto license.

I can drive a manual but I wanted the bare minimum to worry about because the test is very stressful.

As for the backroad it's not a bad idea but I'll stick to the track.

No risks of hitting kangaroo's at the track and they're also designed for dragging.

Bill_R · 19-09-2007, 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by ILLaViTaR

Yeah So what do I exactly have to do to get a manual license?

The complete test? Or will they just take me up the road and back because I already got an auto license.
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I'd say the complete test. They won't want to just know if you can change gears but if you can do "everything" while having the extra focus on changing gears.

You might have a few extra things in your test like a hillstart or handbrake start as if on a hill.

The test itself isn't really stressful and you have already passed it once. It should be much easier now with extra experience but you'll need to think back on all the things you had to do when on your L's. <Dr Phil> The stress comes from thinking about it too much and hassling about it and failing. </Dr Phil>

Do a few lessons with an instructor in a manual and do the test in that car.

I'd contact licensing to find out exactly what you need to do and what requirements there are if you practice on a manual.