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There is a house that Ned and his family lived in at Beveridge
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I couldnt get "bail up" to make sense. |
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heres a pic of Neds place at Beveridge
http://www.flickr.com/photos/58991066@N00/2491288805/ Also here is what is regarded as the most historicaly correct movie (well TV series) about the Kelly's. I have it, its long but worthwhile watching. http://shop.abc.net.au/browse/produc...oductid=798232 |
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I believe it comes from when a dog would bail up a roo or a pig and that meant he'd been wrapped up like a bail of hay, boxed into a corner with no where to go. I will stand corrected but thats what has been explained to me by some old bushys I knew a long time ago.
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Sorry but in my books he was just a common criminal.
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history is littered with people who claim to be victimised. maybe some were unfairly, however i would think that most of the so called victimising was probably warranted though. personally i do not care if the coppers go outside the law to catch someone, providing they get the right person. for sure we need laws to protect the innocent, but if ned was not a model citizen, i don't care how they tried to get him. i cannot agree with ned robbing banks because he believed he was unfairly targeted. in all seriousness if someone was not a criminal they would not change their law abiding activities because they were victimised. it is more likely they were victimised because their activities were not law abiding i would not call him iconic as such. i would call him infamous. in my opinion he was infamous for 2 reasons only 1. because he wore armour (either he was too scared to face the cops without it, or he just wanted to take out as many as possible. hardly the stuff of heroes). there were other bushrangers back then, but ned was the most celebrated . . . because of his armour. he is instantly recognised because of it and of course, it sells memorabilia and 2. for some reason the powers that be thought it proper to teach us about criminals in primary school, rather than real australian history. because of this many generations of young australians were brought up learning about his actions, which may or may not have been glorified |
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We all have skeletons in our closet when it comes to family and it would still be cool to say you are related to him whether he's good or bad. As you say, infamous is probably the best word to describe him.
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it was cool in primary school telling people, although no one believed me, since my surname is not hart. there was a kid a year younger than me with the surname hart. we were related - and 2 others in my class were also. instantly 3 more family members (plus their siblings) i am not sure if i am proud or not of my heritage. i guess i don't really care. obviously i did not know steve at all . . . . nor my great grandmother (hence why i cannot give a name, i am trying to find out which sister she was). obviously there is a family connection there which is good, but i won't pretend he was an angel. it seems people feel they can relate to ned in some way, so my name dropping of steve, was to suggest that my views are not based on the gang having no impact on my life at all |
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Theres no doubt he was probably not the best bloke to live next door too. But he was victimised, thats historical fact. Its not hard to draw that conclusion due to the overall treatment of Irish people in the colony at that time. Australias catholic schools were started by Irish groups as their kids were unable to receive an education at the English dominated schools, and that dates to the protestant catholic crap thats been going on in Ireland for centuries. Theres no doubt he was victimised, and no doubt he pushed back. As I said earlier its highly likely the family wasnt helped by their own attitudes toward British law and the establishment, further hindered by a convict father and the rumour spread by police that Ned was an informant. Pouring fuel on a fire is hardly clever management. |
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